OT---Gastric Bypass Surgery-pro or con?

[Linda Lou]

As some of you may know, I have a very obese brother, who now has developed breathing problems due to the severity of his obesity. It seems that his only option for weight loss at this point, would be the Gastric Bypass.

Wondering if anyone out there may have had this surgery, or know any one who has, and the long-term success rate?

[Jasmine46]

My ex-brother-in-law had it about a year ago and is doing well. He weighed 350+ for many years and became diabetic. He has some ups and downs, but it worked well for him. He had a close call with his health because they stayed in Bay St. Louis, MS during Hurricane Katrina and were without help for several days in a flooded apartment, but thankfully they were rescued and relocated to Florida. He had some respiratory problems and a trach (sp?) for a while, but his health is improving each day.

[Linda Lou]

Jas,
Did he have the respiratory problems and trach before the surgery, or as a result of the surgery? This is a big concern for my brother, as already his lungs are compromised, due to all the excess weight.

[Jasmine46]

He had some problems breathing due to the weight, but I think he developed more problems due to toxins in the flood water and living without air conditioning for several days. It is so humid in that part of the country, and there's no telling what kind of junk was in the air. He really is lucky to have survived.

[amber]

One of my best friends who post at this board tvtalk and is a JE regular has this surgery about a year ago. I belive she weighed close to 400 pounds.

I don't know much on the topic other then what she has said. But I will say based on that it seems to have done wonders on her. She has lost almost a 100 pounds since then.

That's the only person I know of who has had it.

[Linda Lou]

Oh yes, amber, I know who you mean.

I think she had a band type device. This is quite different and much more drastic of a surgery, I think. I think this sounds like a scary type of surgery. If you consider the alternative, what else can one do? He's too far gone for a typical diet.

[pebbles]

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Linda Lou:
Oh yes, amber, I know who you mean.

I think she had a band type device. This is quite different and much more drastic of a surgery, I think. I think this sounds like a scary type of surgery. If you consider the alternative, what else can one do? He's too far gone for a typical diet.
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I agree that sometimes there is no alternative. The person will die unless he can lose weight. The operation is risky but it gives them a chance. Do you know anything about the new band procedure? I understand that is is not as drastic as the stapling or surgical treatments.

[Jasmine46]

Did you notice that above these posts there are all kinds of links to gastric bypass and weight loss info?

[Linda Lou]

Oh my gosh, Jas, I didn't notice that! I will check 'em out. Just thought maybe someone could give me some up close and personal info. Thanks for yours....pebbles, yes, I know about the lapband. We are very limited as to what he can have done, as he doesn't work and would have to apply for assistance to cover the cost of the surgery. I think I'm scared of possible complications most of all. I have heard of something called ARD from people having this surgery.

[Jasmine46]

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it's an article discussing methods and possible complications.

[Hershey]

I know several people who have had this surgery. Of course, there are different types of it that accomplish weight loss differently. Of the people I know, all have lost weight but all have had side effects from the surgery. They have become anemic right after it (later corrected), have inordinate amounts of gas, one goes to the bathroom very, very frequently because all food goes through her, and that experience isn't the same as it used to be and is now rather unpleasant as well as frequent. People can get heavy again even after the surgery, if they do not alter their eating habits (Carnie Wilson has gained quite a bit back if you've seen photos of her recently. The people I know who have had this surgery have been told they can gain back again. I don't know if the long term effects of this surgery are known yet, since it hasn't been done for all that long.

A friend of mine who is a nurse had the surgery done a few months ago. Her doctor told her that one in 200 die from it (or I suppose complications from it).

Bottom line is I don't think you can beat mother nature. If you have the surgery, you are altering your G-I tract from how it was designed. Side effects can ensue. Everything is a trade-off.

[backseat]

My girlfriend had the operation about a year ago. She was 320 pounds. She had it done mostly because she had been in a car accident about 25 years ago and her knee was damaged and her weight was really screwing up her knee even more. But she had to go through extensive tests before they would operate - like mentally ready, then sleeping disorders. she has lost 125 pounds so far. but I guess if your brother doesn't have any medical - I don't know if they would provide that kind of service for him. My girlfriend's hmo did. I had looked into the band myself - although my SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM doesn't cover it. It is much less invasive but it takes longer for the patient to lose the weight. A guy I work with has had several friends die after having the operation so it can be very risky. but then how long can your brother live under the condition he has now I wish your brother the best.

[Linda Lou]

Well, Hershey, thank you for posting that.

I agree that it's all a trade off. It is a very vexing situation to be in. You want to just scream at the person to just stop eating and lose the weight, before they die, but if it was only that simple they would've done it by now. I think when a person gets so morbidly obese it stops being about food, and more about being a mental health issue.

Hope there is something that can be done before it's too late.
Yes, backseat, I think that the person has to WANT to help themselves, or any kind of procedure or diet will ultimately fail.

[Jasmine46]

There are so many clinics making a ton of money off the various surgeries. While I was searching, I saw that there are also law firms specializing in suing the doctors when the surgeries go bad.

I wonder what the odds of morbid obesity are compared to the risk of the various surgeries. It would be a difficult decision, and it must be scary to worry about how your life will change as a result. I have noticed Carnie Wilson's weight gain. I suppose the body just slows down the metabolism as a safety precaution when so little nutrition is getting into it.

My ex-husband's girlfriend had her stomach stapled about 25 years ago and can only eat small amounts of food. She has maintained a size 16 for a long time. She is also an alcoholic and drinks at least a bottle of wine every night. I always wondered how her body could stand such abuse and still function.

[Hershey]

One thing I've always wondered is that what if they take out or re-route too much when they are "bypassing" and then your body can't digest enough food to live? A co-worker had this surgery and she is getting much, much too thin. Of course, she may be doing that on purpose, but looking at her makes me think that the surgery isn't an exact science, and what if they take away/re-route too much and your body can't digest enough food? I also have always wondered how good it is for the body to lose so much weight so fast. Everyone I know who has had the surgery has lost the weight very fast.

[Hershey]

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Jasmine46:
I have noticed Carnie Wilson's weight gain. I suppose the body just slows down the metabolism as a safety precaution when so little nutrition is getting into it.
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The way it was explained to me by someone who's had the surgery is that eventually, if you keep overeating, the stomach will stretch out again and you can still overeat. Right after the surgery, the stomach is very small and the person gets a very bad stomach ache if he or she overeats. But eventually, if you get used to having a stomach ache and keep eating, the stomach will stretch and the person will be able to eat more and more, overeat, and gain back the weight.

[Linda Lou]

I personally feel that this surgery is very extreme, and extremely hard on your body. How could it not be? It's just so unnatural. If only some kind of intervention could take place before a person reaches such a dangerous weight, when there are no really good and safe alternatives.

[Jasmine46]

Let's just hope that this obesity epidemic ends so more people don't have to even consider this mutilation of the human body.

It seems like someone could write a book to stop overeating that works as well as the "EasyWay to Stop Smoking"

[KathyFF]

I've heard the "band-aid" version is the best because it can be adjusted over the years if your stomach stretches out.

[pebbles]

How true. They have to learn how to eat all over again after the surgery so why not do it before? The amount of food the stomach will hold is very small after a bypass is done so only tiny portions can be eaten.
I wonder how much of the obesity problem is psychological, how much is genetic and how much is lack of self-control? Someone has to be supplying food to people who are tpo obese to go shopping or even get out of bed. Why are they being given all of that food? And how do they afford it?

[pandagirl]

I know two people who've had it. Both are women who had been obese all their lives and I think the surgery probably saved their lives.

My acquaintance with them is mostly professional, so they probably wouldn't tell me about their bathroom problems or anything like that, so I can't weigh in (sorry) on that. But both seem VERY happy with the changes and they look wonderful. One of these women works as a volunteer councilor through her medical clinic for people considering the surgery.

I do know that it's a drastic step and the patient should be aware of all the risks, but for some people it truly is a lifesaver.

[Linda Lou]

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pebbles:
How true. They have to learn how to eat all over again after the surgery so why not do it before? The amount of food the stomach will hold is very small after a bypass is done so only tiny portions can be eaten.
I wonder how much of the obesity problem is psychological, how much is genetic and how much is lack of self-control? Someone has to be supplying food to people who are tpo obese to go shopping or even get out of bed. Why are they being given all of that food? And how do they afford it?
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I believe it is a combination of factors, but I'm not so sure about the genetic link. We have both fat and thin people on both sides of the family. Both of my parents were quite slim. I can tell you in my brother's case, he was always a large eater, and initially think it started as a lack of self control.

Due to some traumatic circumstances, I believe his eating took on a self destructive pattern after my Father's death 13 yrs ago. My Mother has moved heaven and earth to try to help, and has spent thousands of dollars on various diet programs. He now lives with a friend who attends to all his needs, and if she doesn't get his food, he will manage to, albeit with great difficulty. On the rare occasions he comes to my house, I can't bear to even watch him get out of the car to make the few steps to the door. Very, very frustrating situation.

Thanks to all who have responded. It really helps to get some feedback, when I usually have no one to go to with this.

[Jasmine46]

Here's something interesting:
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Bariatric surgery kills 5 percent of patients: Weight loss surgery takes deadly toll
A new analysis of bariatric surgery patients, published in the journal Nature, reveals that this surgical procedure may be far more dangerous than most people believe. An astonishing 4.6 percent of patients who undergo bariatric surgery are dead within a year. That's almost one out of 20 people who die within a year following the surgery.
That's a huge number, and it indicates the level of risk associated with bariatric surgery. With the number of bariatric surgeries performed each year in this country approaching 50,000, we're talking about several thousand people dying each year from this procedure.


Most surgeries are medically unjustified
I have no doubt that in the years and decades ahead, historians will look back on this present-day practice of surgically removing parts of people's digestive tracts, and they will characterize this as barbaric and medically unjustified. They will look back and wonder why surgeons would remove entire sections of people's digestive tracts in an effort to help them lose weight. Of course, part of the answer is because these surgeons are in business to make money, and they make money by performing surgeries, regardless of whether or not those surgeries are actually safe or effective.
For example, 60 percent of heart bypass surgeries performed in the United States are completely unnecessary. There's no medical justification whatsoever. However, they are huge profit centers for surgeons, hospitals and even anesthesiologists. Everyone makes a buck when people have heart bypass surgery, but is the patient truly helped by it?

More often than not, the patient isn't helped. In fact, they are harmed by it. The same thing happens with bariatric surgery, except in some ways it's even worse. You can't really grow back the stomach after a surgeon has cut half of it out. You can never fully recover from bariatric surgery. It is a permanent removal of vital organs and tissues that belong there. These are organs that you are supposed to have to be a healthy human being.


Fraudulent marketing schemes fool people into getting bariatric surgery
I strongly object to the kind of marketing being done to promote bariatric surgery. In the marketing materials for this procedure, there are always pictures of really thin people who have never actually undergone the procedure. There is a lot of verbiage that exaggerates the benefits of the procedure and minimizes the risks, if they are even mentioned.
For example, most bariatric surgery patients are never informed that one of the most common side effects of the surgery is hypoglycemia or a form of hyperinsulinemia, which is an insulin reaction to the ingestion of food. This is now recognized as a common side effect of bariatric surgery or gastric bypass surgery. When this happens to you, you're put in a very difficult spot as the patient because the thing that's typically suggested to you to solve this problem of your pancreas producing "too much insulin" is to surgically remove part of your pancreas.

How's that for brilliant? The surgeons harm your body with the first surgery, and then they create a condition where they get repeat business because they have to remove part of your pancreas to balance your blood sugar. If this is the approach to healing in this country, I'd hate to see what these people would actually do if they were trying to harm someone.

I don't think that's the way nature intended the human body to achieve a perfect state of health. It's not about figuring out how many organs or tissues you can remove. It is supposed to be about supporting the organs and tissues that are already there and helping them regain their strength and vitality. These surgeries accomplish none of that.

Getting back to the marketing of bariatric surgery, this procedure is frequently marketed to people using fraudulent means, because the real risks are never really communicated to patients. The difficulty of undergoing this procedure and recovering from it is never quite fully explained.


Healthy alternatives to bariatric surgery
All this makes you wonder what kind of person would undergo bariatric surgery. Obviously, they feel like they've run out of options. Maybe they have tried all kinds of diets, but they're still eating enormous amounts of food. I guarantee you there are a couple of things they've never tried.
One solution they've never tried is eating foods of high nutritional density. This means getting all the necessary minerals into the diet, because one of the reasons we keep craving and overeating is that we are de-mineralized. Our soils no longer contain trace minerals or even the macro minerals that the human body was designed to consume, so our fresh produce (fruits, vegetables, etc.) lacks these minerals. And when it comes to factory foods, nearly all of the food products on grocery store shelves is completely devoid of all but a few minerals.

Did you know that white flour has 90 percent less mineral content than whole grain wheat? You lose almost 100 percent of minerals like magnesium, zinc and calcium when you process these grains. When you live on the processed food diet, you're hungry all the time because your body says, "Keep on eating until I get the right minerals." So, you just keep eating and eating until you become obese. No matter what diet you try, you can't get any thinner because your body still isn't getting the minerals it needs.

If you really want to lose weight, one of the first things you've got to do is start eating organic fruits and vegetables. You must get away from processed foods. Ideally, you need to start taking supplements with minerals and trace minerals. That's a great combination to calm your cravings.


Avoid excitotoxins in foods
The other thing that I guarantee most people haven't tried in terms of losing weight is avoiding all of the chemicals added to foods to make you hungry. These chemicals are called excitotoxins. The most common one is monosodium glutamate, or MSG. This ingredient is hidden in lots of other food ingredients such as yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, autolyzed vegetable protein and so on. This chemical interferes with the normal healthy function of your endocrine system. That's the system that regulates appetite in your body. When this system isn't functioning correctly, your body never knows when you've eaten enough, so it never turns off your appetite and you continue to eat and eat and eat.
Weight loss can be achieved quite easily through the re-mineralization of your body. Key factors include diet and supplementation, exposure to natural sunlight -- which is a natural appetite suppressant -- and the avoidance of all metabolic disrupters. Metabolic disruptors are ingredients in the food supply. I reveal them all in the book Grocery Warning, where I talk about them in great detail. The main ones to avoid are the excitotoxins, which include monosodium glutamate, yeast extract and other variations of this chemical. If you do that, you don't need bariatric surgery. You'll lose weight as a side effect of making healthy food choices.

Now, a few people will say, "I don't want to give up my nacho chips; they have MSG, but I don' t want to give those up. I don't want to give up eating my canned soup." It's always a choice for each and every person. If you choose that route, and you get super obese, you may end up needing bariatric surgery, because nothing else is going to lose weight for you, and guess what? When you have bariatric surgery, you won't be able to eat those Doritos, canned soups and all those other excitotoxins anyway. Plus, half of your digestive tract will be gone, ripped out of your body. You'll have internal scar tissue, and you may have pain for the rest of your life. You may have hypoglycemia that might require surgery to remove part of your pancreas. Statistics show you might have a 4.6 percent chance of being dead within one year after undergoing bariatric surgery. So, if having your nacho chips, canned soup and MSG-tainted salad dressing is really that important to you, it's your choice.

MSG is present in most processed meats, including bacon, breakfast sausage, beef jerky and pepperoni. Almost all of these contain MSG, but you can read food labels to find out which ones do and which ones don't. Some people are so unwilling to change their diet that they simply refuse to stop eating these dangerous foods. In fact, they opt to undergo surgery instead. That's a choice I do not understand. I honestly believe that most people are only making that choice because they have never been given access to true information about foods, healing, weight loss and nutrition, which could save them from obesity, bariatric surgery, and a painful death.


Avoid dangerous surgeries to obtain ideal health
People are intentionally misinformed about health by the medical industry, drug companies and the FDA, all of which want to limit the treatment of disease to drugs, surgery, chemotherapy and other conventional therapies. If patients just had access to good information, they'd make better choices, and far fewer patients would undergo gastric bypass surgery in the first place. Of course, that's exactly what the surgeons in this country don't want to happen. They want to see more people opting for surgery, because that means more money in their pockets.
Hospitals and clinics want the same thing. Disease = revenue. Education = loss of revenue. In this way, conventional medicine is clearly against patient education about disease prevention. The only "education" provided by conventional medicine is based on claims for a new drug or surgical procedure.

But things are different here on NewsTarget.com. I want you to be a healthy, thin, fit person at your ideal bodyweight. I want you to avoid dangerous surgical procedures. I don't want you to die within a year or live the rest of your life obese, in a state of chronic pain and addicted to SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM drugs or under the care of a surgeon who thinks of you as merely another source of revenue. I want you to be free to make your own choices about the future of your health and free to experience all the wonderful lessons that go hand-in-hand with that kind of healing journey. I believe in education and free access to health-enhancing information, and I am strongly opposed to the outright censorship and propaganda currently practiced by Big Pharma, the FDA, and almost all participants in conventional medicine.

[LA-CAgirl3]

Bottom line for me is that gastric bypass saves the lives of people who have no alternative. Being overweight by hundreds of lbs will not be addressed by any diet on earth. Making sure one is treated by a reputable MD is key in this, as in all health issues.

[Hershey]

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LA-CAgirl3:
Bottom line for me is that gastric bypass saves the lives of people who have no alternative. Being overweight by hundreds of lbs will not be addressed by any diet on earth. Making sure one is treated by a reputable MD is key in this, as in all health issues.
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That may be, but I've been of the same opinion as that article posted. Bariatric surgery is, IMO, becoming a fad and an easy out to lose weight. The surgeries do make money for the docs performing them. I think too many people are unnecessarily undergoing this procedure, even though I'm sure it has saved lives of some. It should be a drastic last resort, not an in vogue shortcut to dieting. Do you mean to tell me Star Jones (whom I believe had the surgery even if she hasn't admitted it) couldn't have exercised some willpower and dieted to lose weight? I don't believe that woman exercises willpower about anything in her life - she has always struck me as a complete hedonist. I wonder if she had been forced by her doc to go to Weight Watchers or some other healthy diet plan and try to stick to it for a year before undergoing surgery (if in fact she has) whether she would have needed the surgery. I wonder the same about a lot of people who have had that surgery.

[pebbles]

I have also read that some people purposely make themselves unattractive because of some psychological hang-up. It is a very sad story.
I feel sorry for anyone who decides to undergo the surgery and I hope they know all of the risks involved. It is not something to go into just because of vanity. It should be reserved as strictly a do or die procedure.

[Jasmine46]

When my ex-brother-in-law and wife would come over for a 3 hour visit, they would bring 3 bags of groceries, i.e.
ice cream, nuts, candy, chips, you name it. They knew we wouldn't have that stuff in the house and they couldn't survive for an afternoon without it. He became diabetic in his early 40's and continued to eat like that, and would just inject extra insulin to compensate. 15 years of that took its tool and he ended up almost dead and had the surgery. He's lucky to have survived as long as he has, so I guess the surgery did save his life. He's the nicest guy you would ever want to meet, but has always lived excessively in every way possible.

[pebbles]

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Jasmine46:
When my ex-brother-in-law and wife would come over for a 3 hour visit, they would bring 3 bags of groceries, i.e.
ice cream, nuts, candy, chips, you name it. They knew we wouldn't have that stuff in the house and they couldn't survive for an afternoon without it. He became diabetic in his early 40's and continued to eat like that, and would just inject extra insulin to compensate. 15 years of that took its tool and he ended up almost dead and had the surgery. He's lucky to have survived as long as he has, so I guess the surgery did save his life. He's the nicest guy you would ever want to meet, but has always lived excessively in every way possible.
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What I don't understand is how people like him adjust after the surgery. If he absolutely had to have that junk, how did he manage to suddenly go without it?
How do they stop the cravings?

[Jasmine46]

I don't know if the cravings stop, or if it drives them nuts.
It might be like giving up cigarettes with the EasyWay method. I don't even think about smoking any more.
Could be that their mind finally grasps that they were killing themselves and the craving goes away.

[Hershey]

I don't think the cravings go away w/out behavior modification therapy.
As I stated above, they eat to satisfy their cravings but get a bad stomach ache so they stop eating. Eventually, if they keep up the overeating, their stomach will get used to it, stretch out again, and they will gain weight.
If the stomach aches keep their eating curbed, they will not gain weight again. What caused the overeating in the first place is still there though.

I will be curious to see if Star Jones gains weight back eventually.

[Garnet333]

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Hershey:
I don't think the cravings go away w/out behavior modification therapy.
As I stated above, they eat to satisfy their cravings but get a bad stomach ache so they stop eating. Eventually, if they keep up the overeating, their stomach will get used to it, stretch out again, and they will gain weight.
If the stomach aches keep their eating curbed, they will not gain weight again. What caused the overeating in the first place is still there though.

I will be curious to see if Star Jones gains weight back eventually.
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Hey wait a minute, I thought Star Jones lost her weight with diet and exercise LOL

[Jasmine46]

I guess her boobs and stomach got lifted by magic, too.
(Not to make light of her current situation. I hope she gets better soon)

[Jasmine46]

Now that I think about it, my ex brother-in-law always a man with huge appetites for everything. His van was always parked in front of the adult theater, he and his wife went on extravagant vacations and bought excessive gifts for people with their income and they always had huge Mardi Gras parties that everyone in town went to. He was a larger than life guy in many ways, and probably still is.

[Linda Lou]

We have received info that my brother is indeed not qualified for this kind of procedure, with the medical coverage he has. Personally, I'm not sure he would've survived it. What's next? Who knows.

I had a 24 pg. application stored on my computer for months, from Rochester Memorial Obesity Clinic. He only went through the motions of filling it out. Just one of many examples of help we've tried to seek out for him.

This is such a complex issue. I believe he will only survive through some sort of extreme measure, perhaps hospitalization, but you can't force a 48 yr. old man to do something against his will. Time is surely running out. He says he wants to die, but I don't believe it. I just think that he doesn't know what to do, himself.

[pebbles]

Linda Lou, has he tried psychiatric counseling? I'm no expert but he may have some underlying issues that make him behave this way, especially since he overdoes more than just eating. He may be severely depressed, too, if he says he wants to die.
Would his ins. cover the belt treatment?

I hope someone can help him.

[Linda Lou]

Pebbles,
Yes, he is most severely depressed. Imagine being trapped inside a body that, for the most part, is barely functioning normally. And living with the knowledge that it's all of your own doing.

I have been on a website this morning, that a poster here was kind enough to provide to me, seeking out alternatives. Medicaid will not cover any kind of bariatric surgery, but I left a message asking if there are any is any kind of help to be found, for a situation such as this. Thanks for your concern.

[kittyinthecity]

Linda,
I am sorry it didn't work out for your brother. In St. Louis, there is this New Life Center at St. Alexius Hospital for bariatric surgery. I don't a whole lot about it, but I know people come from all over the country to have surgery there.

[Linda Lou]

kitty,
I think that, from what I found this morning, there are plenty of facilities out there for this problem, it's the funds. Going to appeal to my Mother. She's the only one I know who has plenty of 'em! LOL!

[pebbles]

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Linda Lou:
Pebbles,
Yes, he is most severely depressed. Imagine being trapped inside a body that, for the most part, is barely functioning normally. And living with the knowledge that it's all of your own doing.

I have been on a website this morning, that a poster here was kind enough to provide to me, seeking out alternatives. Medicaid will not cover any kind of bariatric surgery, but I left a message asking if there are any is any kind of help to be found, for a situation such as this. Thanks for your concern.
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It is terrible that Medicaid will not cover this surgery if it's a matter of life and death. I can understand refusing to cover it if it's a vanity surgery, but in this case it's not.

[girlllll]

linda..

I had to pay 13000 to 15000 $ total for the band, I have lost 80 pounds in a year and 6 of those months it wasnt filled right (meaning I could of lost alot more)

its not as risky as gastric bypass. Its a really neat deal. IMO

I started at 415 and a slew of medical problems.

My health is amazing already.. I walk.. I hiked a couple days ago down a place called "short beach" and OMG.. I never knew so little weight could make such a HUGE difference.

I am alittle depressed.. More than i was before.. But I am calling that on 'transitioning and change' and it will resolve.

I dont know how depressed he is.. or how much he has invested in his food..

BUt if he could pay his self.. and Get it done.. i think he should..

Its been more than I ever dreamed it would be..

(I paid for mine with social security back pay I got.. otherwise I would of NEVEr been able to afford it)

BEST OF LUCK


--girl

[Linda Lou]

Thanks girl. I know we've talked about your procedure before. That's an awful lot of money, but we'll see what my family can come up with.

I'm glad that you are resolving your health problems. I have been very overweight, (though not morbidly obese) and I know how freeing losing the weight can be.

[Jasmine46]

Linda, I just found this-
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Weight Loss Surgery

Medicare To Cover Weight Loss Surgery for the Obese (Feb. 2006)

In late February, Medicare endorsed three types of stomach reduction surgery, saying the controversial procedures can offer Americans safe and effective ways to treat obesity.

Under the new rules, Medicare will pay for the surgery for obese patients who are suffering from other health problems related to their weight, as long as they undergo the procedure at centers that have been certified as well-qualified by the American College of Surgeons or the American Society of Bariatric Surgery.

The decision could open the door for Medicare to cover other treatments for obesity, such as nutritional counseling, physician-supervised weight loss programs and weight loss drugs. Because private health insurers often follow Medicare's lead, several experts say the decision will have broad implications.

In the past, weight Loss surgery was covered under Medicare if it is performed to relieve serious medical problems aggravated by weight. A Medicare committee had voted in Nov. 2004 on how effective bariatric surgery is in comparison to non-surgical weight management. In July 2004, Medicare announced that it would begin to cover obesity as a disease, rather than covering only obesity-induced diseases such as diabetes and high blood pressure. As soon as an official request is made for Medicare to pay for such surgeries, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid services begins a 9-12 month decision-making process.

This panel found that the evidence shows that bariatric surgeries do have a positive impact on long-term survival rates and that the surgery reduces short-term mortality, versus non-surgical medical weight management.

[Linda Lou]

Jas,
Thanks, but isn't Medicare for the elderly only? My brother is on Medicaid.

[Jasmine46]

I think Medicaid rules vary from state to state. They may have changed the rules when Medicare did. Not sure, but it would be worth checking into, especially if your brother is disabled due to weight. It might make him more likely to get coverage.

[Linda Lou]

We have Jas, and he is only eligible for Medicaid, and they will NOT cover any weight loss procedure, even if it is life threatening. There is only one Bariatric surgeon in this area, and we've appealed to him, but he won't accept Medicaid.

[backseat]

Linda Lou - this may sound strange but have you thought about contacting someone like Richard Simmons? I know he can be fruity but I think he genuinely cares. How about Oprah? I know that there must be tons of programs out there for needy people like your brother. Especially now when they are breaking through those barriers of fat people are lazy or whatever. Well thats my 2 cents.

[Linda Lou]

backseat,
Thank you for your reply. I have actually contacted Richard Simmons a couple of years ago, and he sent me a Deal-A-Meal. Don't think my brother, would, um, take his advice. I think we've run the gamut of ideas in our search for an answer. I'm awaiting more info on the lapband, on a website I went to this morning, and have to see if my Mother would be willing to pay the cost.

[HHIgirl]

Here is an interesting side effect of WLS. My girlfriend has it done two years ago and she lost 150 pounds. She looks amazing! Drop dead gorgeous. She has alwyas been a pretty girl but this just made her blossom. Her only side effect was that her husband kept trying to sabotage her. He doesn't like her thin. He never tells he is pround, or how good she looks or what a difference this has made in her life. We found out later that this often a little known side effect happens more often than not. That the mate feels threatened.

I know my story has nothing to do with the original question. I just found it a fascinating that people are running to that problem. Strange, huh?

[pebbles]

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HHIgirl:
Here is an interesting side effect of WLS. My girlfriend has it done two years ago and she lost 150 pounds. She looks amazing! Drop dead gorgeous. She has alwyas been a pretty girl but this just made her blossom. Her only side effect was that her husband kept trying to sabotage her. He doesn't like her thin. He never tells he is pround, or how good she looks or what a difference this has made in her life. We found out later that this often a little known side effect happens more often than not. That the mate feels threatened.

I know my story has nothing to do with the original question. I just found it a fascinating that people are running to that problem. Strange, huh?
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Yes, I have heard of that kind of sabotage. It's usually the male who resents his spouse's new look. He becomes jealous and afraid that now that she looks good she will replace him. She may actually have to leave him because he will be so hard to live with.

[LA-CAgirl3]

If I understand correctly, there is a barrage of meds taken post-op and for life to stop cravings etc. It is actually some of these meds which may cause the surgery to go awry. Gini

[Hershey]

Gosh, I wonder if Linda Lou's obese (her word) brother is aware of all the taunts she has posted on this BB about being overweight. Intersting how she can give other people flak about their weight when she supposedly has lost 80 lbs. and supposedly has a brother whose weight endangers his life.
Good old Linda Loser will not get the sensitivity award, will she now?

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Gosh, I wonder if Linda Lou's obese (her word) brother is aware of all the taunts she has posted on this BB about being overweight. Intersting how she can give other people flak about their weight when she supposedly has lost 80 lbs. and supposedly has a brother whose weight endangers his life.
Good old Linda Loser will not get the sensitivity award, will she now?
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*sing songy voice* I've been waiting for this Herpes. Do you really think I care if you brought up this thread? No, I think it's good that you did. I believe that people will even find me thanking you for posting decently to me for once.

The taunts I give you, you fully deserve. I'll tell you something thing Helga, there's one thing I did reflect upon while I was off of here today.

I only wish it were YOU instead of my brother, what with his life hanging by a thread. You, trading places with him. Your life endangered not his. Not THAT would be justice.

As I said earlier, life WILL give you exactly what you deserve. I only wish I could be there to witness it.

Oh, and BTW. Rest assured, my brother knows ALL about you, and has read your nice posts. He fully understands my chides about your weight, and he really DOES want to sit on you.

[SaWeet]

Hershey:
Good old Linda Loser will not get the sensitivity award, will she now?
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Well isn't this the absolute epitomy of the the pot calling the kettle black. Since when has Hershey squirts genuinely been concerned about the sensitivity of others, or hurting others through her own words?

This place is just a big ol' kettle full of chum today.....

[Hershey]

Hi, SaSweet, also known as Greenleaf, also known as unregistered chickensh*t.

You unregistered trolls with multiple identities have no credibility. And you are chickens*t to boot, hiding behind your unregistered multiple identities. Jerk.

[Linda Lou]

I AM happy to report that my brother, while his health is very poor, is finally taking the necessary steps to be considered for this surgery. It's the only way he will be able to live.

I never thought it would go this far, as he's fought any attempts to help him.
Lord willing, he will be a viable candidate, and be able to survive the surgery.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to report the progress made in this direction h.

[Hershey]

Linda Lou:
Oh, and BTW. Rest assured, my brother knows ALL about you, and has read your nice posts. He fully understands my chides about your weight, and he really DOES want to sit on you.
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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[Hershey's Obsession]

Hershey:
Hi, SaSweet, also known as Greenleaf, also known as unregistered chickensh*t.

You unregistered trolls with multiple identities have no credibility. And you are chickens*t to boot, hiding behind your unregistered multiple identities. Jerk.
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Let's see, so if a person doesn't want to bother registering, or logging in under their own registration, then whatever they say must not be true. Oh, I see now. Gads you're an idiot.

You're really slipping Judy. I can be whoever my little heart desires on here. If I want to be Judy, Trudy, Rudy or Satan himself, it makes no difference. What happened with your little IP trace? Did you give up on that? Simpleton.

YOU are the chickenpoop Jerky. Flustered to death at spending your whole life as the odd kid out and the butt (literally) of many jokes. Butthead. What exactly am I afraid of? NOthing here honey. It's only cyberspace and you're just a blob sitting in front of your computer hundreds of miles away from me... The only thing that scares me is the thought that the unknowing are sucked into your web of twisted tales.....

Get a life....

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Linda Lou:
Oh, and BTW. Rest assured, my brother knows ALL about you, and has read your nice posts. He fully understands my chides about your weight, and he really DOES want to sit on you.
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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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I laughed my ass too. I called him yesterday, and told him of this , and he said "Tell the ol' gal I would like to sit on her......naked" LOLOL!! He may be ill, but he still has his sense of humor.

[Hershey]

Thank you for relating that. Sounds to me like your family is very screwed up indeed. Interesting all the comments you've made toward me about weight, while your brother's life is in danger because he just can't stop eating.
Shows a lot about you and what kind of person you are, Linda Loser.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey's Obsession:
Hershey:
Hi, SaSweet, also known as Greenleaf, also known as unregistered chickensh*t.

You unregistered trolls with multiple identities have no credibility. And you are chickens*t to boot, hiding behind your unregistered multiple identities. Jerk.
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Let's see, so if a person doesn't want to bother registering, or logging in under their own registration, then whatever they say must not be true. Oh, I see now. Gads you're an idiot.

You're really slipping Judy. I can be whoever my little heart desires on here. If I want to be Judy, Trudy, Rudy or Satan himself, it makes no difference. What happened with your little IP trace? Did you give up on that? Simpleton.

YOU are the chickenpoop Jerky. Flustered to death at spending your whole life as the odd kid out and the butt (literally) of many jokes. Butthead. What exactly am I afraid of? NOthing here honey. It's only cyberspace and you're just a blob sitting in front of your computer hundreds of miles away from me... The only thing that scares me is the thought that the unknowing are sucked into your web of twisted tales.....

Get a life....
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Jeepers! It DOES feel like a web. H's is the spider and we are the unsuspecting flys.

I like the above post. Right on! You go!

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Thank you for relating that. Sounds to me like your family is very screwed up indeed. Interesting all the comments you've made toward me about weight, while your brother's life is in danger because he just can't stop eating.
Shows a lot about you and what kind of person you are, Linda Loser.
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Not any more screwed up then your divorced parents are, and your sisters.

At least we can see the humor in things. If I could make him stop eating, I would. Here's a link I found for people with eating disorders. You might find it helpful as well. www.poorreflections.com

I also have links to mental health groups if you would like them.

Now, being as we all know you don't have a soul, may I just come right out and ask you not to wish for his death, even though you hate me?? He don't need any negative wishes coming his way.

[Hershey]

Linda Lou:
Hershey:
Thank you for relating that. Sounds to me like your family is very screwed up indeed. Interesting all the comments you've made toward me about weight, while your brother's life is in danger because he just can't stop eating.
Shows a lot about you and what kind of person you are, Linda Loser.
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Not any more screwed up then your divorced parents are, and your sisters.

At least we can see the humor in things. If I could make him stop eating, I would. Here's a link I found for people with eating disorders. You might find it helpful as well. www.poorreflections.com

I also have links to mental health groups if you would like them.

Now, being as we all know you don't have a soul, may I just come right out and ask you not to wish for his death, even though you hate me?? He don't need any negative wishes coming his way.
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LL,
My parents were never divorced and why do you recommend eating disorders, an event in my life from 25 yrs. ago that has no relevance to me at all? Why don't you recommend the reading material to your brother? Apparently he has at least one major disorder.

And you just wished me dead.


Your posts about all this supposed information you know about me are downright ludicrous (in addition to being wrong) but you somehow think your "knowledge" (and I use that term very loosely) about me inflates your selfesteem and selfworth. What a LOSER!!!

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Linda Lou:
Hershey:
Thank you for relating that. Sounds to me like your family is very screwed up indeed. Interesting all the comments you've made toward me about weight, while your brother's life is in danger because he just can't stop eating.
Shows a lot about you and what kind of person you are, Linda Loser.
www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539581


Not any more screwed up then your divorced parents are, and your sisters.

At least we can see the humor in things. If I could make him stop eating, I would. Here's a link I found for people with eating disorders. You might find it helpful as well. www.poorreflections.com

I also have links to mental health groups if you would like them.

Now, being as we all know you don't have a soul, may I just come right out and ask you not to wish for his death, even though you hate me?? He don't need any negative wishes coming his way.
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LL,
My parents were never divorced and why do you recommend eating disorders, an event in my life from 25 yrs. ago that has no relevance to me at all? Why don't you recommend the reading material to your brother? Apparently he has at least one major disorder.

And you just wished me dead.


Your posts about all this supposed information you know about me are downright ludicrous (in addition to being wrong) but you somehow think your "knowledge" (and I use that term very loosely) about me inflates your selfesteem and selfworth. What a LOSER!!!
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I didn't wish you dead, exactly, just that I much rather you be in his place, instead of him. It might humble you some, and give you a different perspective for those who suffer.

[Hershey]

SaSweet, Greenleaf, Hershey's Obsession however many personalities you have, you have a reading comprehension problem with my posts.

Chickensh*t. Why are you hiding? I'll be up your way soon; may just look you up.

[SaWeet Greenleaf]

Hershey:
SaSweet, Greenleaf, Hershey's Obsession however many personalities you have, you have a reading comprehension problem with my posts.

Chickensh*t. Why are you hiding? I'll be up your way soon; may just look you up.
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I do hope so. I'll be waiting for you.... armed and dangerous......
I'd plug you quicker than those chipmunks who steal my sunflower seeds.

I'm glad I now have my backhoe. Makes burying things really easy....
And I have a lot of woodlands surrounding me.....

I hide from no one moron. Name and addy on the mailbox. Come and say hello! Dead end road... one way in.... no way... I mean one way... out.

[Hershey]

You're hiding right now, right here.

[SaWeet Greenleaf]

Hershey:
You're hiding right now, right here.
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How? Are you on drugs?

I'm here, and so are you.
You know me, and I know you.
Maybe, if you have the "ignore" feature on, then I would be hiding from you. Now there's some twisted logic, huh?

Just because I like using multiple usernames doesn't mean I'm hiding.
It means I don't want to log in for whatever reason.

Shall I log in just to make you feel better?

hmmmmmm...

I think not.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
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LL,
My parents were never divorced .

Your posts about all this supposed information you know about me are downright ludicrous


Let's just check out the Kathy's ring thread to see how ludicrous they my statements really are.

[Hershey]

SaWeet Greenleaf:
I think not.
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Of course not.

[SaWeet Greanleaf]

Hershey:
Of course not.

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Now you're learning......
A little slow on the uptake, but I was sure you'd get it after a while.
Being you're so highly educated and all.....

[Hershey]

Yep, headed up your way soon.

[SaWeet Greenleaf]

Hershey:
Yep, headed up your way soon.
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Well now you're just teasing me....

I"m getting all hot and bothered just thinking about it....
I'll be watching for those Ohio reg plates.
Shall I take out the restraining order now? Or should I wait until you arrive?

[Hershey]

got some business there. I doubt your hubby will like the bad publicity. LOL

[Linda Lou]

Ooooo, Greenleaf! I wish you would log on or register, whatever, so we girls could talk! ;)

[Sooner]

Hershey's Obsession:

"Get a life...."



From what I've heard she must have quite a life to have been here ALL day on a Saturday.

[SaWeet Obsession]

Sooner:
Hershey's Obsession:

"Get a life...."
From what I've heard she must have quite a life to have been here ALL day on a Saturday.
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Actually I went to a reallife Indian excuuuse me Native American PowWow and also visited a craft show today. But I'm taking it easy as I have a formal schedule tomorrow and it's been a tough week.

[Saweet Obsession]

Hershey:
got some business there. I doubt your hubby will like the bad publicity. LOL
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Your business, should you arrive in my dooryahd, will be HIS business.
I don't know how it would be bad publicity.
Psychowebstalker 0 Homeowner 1

In fact, I think I'll let him know you're heading this way so they can BOL for you!

(talk about laughing out loud!)....

Psycho alert....

[Sooner]

SaWeet Obsession:

"Actually I went to a reallife Indian excuuuse me Native American PowWow and also visited a craft show today. But I'm taking it easy as I have a formal schedule tomorrow and it's been a tough week."



I was referring to H being here all day, not you.

[SaWeet Whomever]

Sooner:
SaWeet Obsession:

"Actually I went to a reallife Indian excuuuse me Native American PowWow and also visited a craft show today. But I'm taking it easy as I have a formal schedule tomorrow and it's been a tough week."



I was referring to H being here all day, not you.
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Thank you for clarifiying Hun, I appreciate it. Obviously wasn't clear on that before.

[Hershey]

Saweet Obsession:
Your business, should you arrive in my dooryahd, will be HIS business.
I don't know how it would be bad publicity.
Psychowebstalker 0 Homeowner 1

In fact, I think I'll let him know you're heading this way so they can BOL for you!

(talk about laughing out loud!)....

Psycho alert....
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LOL you do that! But even if you miss me, you'll know I've been there. LOL

[SaWeet]

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Hershey:
LOL you do that! But even if you miss me, you'll know I've been there.
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??????????????

You lost me here. Not unusual however.

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet:
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Hershey:
LOL you do that! But even if you miss me, you'll know I've been there.
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??????????????

You lost me here. Not unusual however.
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Maybe trying to say she'll leave her mark?? Whatever that may be.

[kittyinthecity]

I can just imagine how Hershey might mark her territory, And its not pretty, lol!

[SaWeet Rosie]

LindaLou:
Maybe trying to say she'll leave her mark?? Whatever that may be.
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That's a scary thought.

She already called my place of business and they're on the lookout for her. They know I deal with a fair number of whackos.

Well, tit for tat I suppose.

I know what kind of mark my 20guage shotgun will leave.

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet Rosie:
LindaLou:
Maybe trying to say she'll leave her mark?? Whatever that may be.
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That's a scary thought.

She already called my place of business and they're on the lookout for her. They know I deal with a fair number of whackos.

Well, tit for tat I suppose.

I know what kind of mark my 20guage shotgun will leave.
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Maybe she'll leave an identifying skid mark. :) She called your place of business?? Talk about not cool. Yikes.

[SaWeet Rosie]

Linda Lou:

Maybe she'll leave an identifying skid mark. :) She called your place of business?? Talk about not cool. Yikes.
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Do you really think Hershey could be "cool"? No way.. More like kook.

She'll have a skid mark in her undies for sure. But I suspect there's already quite a few there.....

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet Rosie:
Linda Lou:

Maybe she'll leave an identifying skid mark. :) She called your place of business?? Talk about not cool. Yikes.
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Do you really think Hershey could be "cool"? No way.. More like kook.

She'll have a skid mark in her undies for sure. But I suspect there's already quite a few there.....
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Well, she did start a thread recently about a place she goes to buy lovely cotton panties in a size 11. :)

[kittyinthecity]

She'll probably just hock up her dinner for you!

[Hershey]

Linda Lou:
Ooooo, Greenleaf! I wish you would log on or register, whatever, so we girls could talk! ;)
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Hey, LindaLowI.Q., that's your good buddy who was going to post your registration information, nitwit. Wanna be chummy with her?? She'll wipe the floor with you. And she's good buds with your trusted friend Txn!

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Linda Lou:
Ooooo, Greenleaf! I wish you would log on or register, whatever, so we girls could talk! ;)
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Hey, LindaLowI.Q., that's your good buddy who was going to post your registration information, nitwit. Wanna be chummy with her?? She'll wipe the floor with you. And she's good buds with your trusted friend Txn!
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You simply never give me enough credit, Gasbag. I know EXACTLY who she is. I'm the forgiving kind though, remember?? Why, I could even forgive Txn.

No, she misunderstood my post, in your reference to her posting my info. That's all is was; a misunderstanding, I feel.

It looks like she's wiped a few floors with you, huh? It appears in this case, you are being honest. By the way Judy, just who DO you get along with. Man, what a long history you have.

[SaWeet on Sunday]

Hershey:
And she's good buds with your trusted friend Txn!

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Where do you dream up this information?

I have never corresponded with nor do I know Txn. That's the bottom line. I do believe this may be some of the information being propogated by the webmeister here, or Hershey.

Linda Lou is *not* evil and meanspirited, at least from what little I Know from here and here alone. I really don't know any more than that but that's my general impression.

Hershey, on the other hand is rotten to the core, devious and deviant, with no conscience. Antisocial and sociopathic and psychotic. I could add a few more adjectives but I think you get my drift. OH, and I almost forgot doesn't like children either as you all have been aware of. Actually, I don't think she likes men either, but that's another subject. But wait? Is there anyone she does like? OH maybe Cher.... I"ll give her that one.

I"m still wondering though how people get fired from being a weight watcher leader. Of course I never could understand how a nasty like Hershey/Olantern could ever become a leader since she's about the most unsympathetic and unsupportive person I've come across in this lifetime.

[Hershey]

SaWeet on Sunday:
I"m still wondering though how people get fired from being a weight watcher leader.

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Me too! I've never heard of that happening around our WW branches!

[SaWeet]

Hershey:

Me too! I've never heard of that happening around our WW branches!


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Sure you don't. Probably a "You can't fire me because I quit" scenario.

[Hershey]

SaWeet:

Sure you don't. Probably a "You can't fire me because I quit" scenario.
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"Probably."
Proves you don't know diddly squat so, considering I'm coming up your way, you should consider not making defamatory statements in writing here, which can easily be disproven.

Now go back to your weeding, like a good little psycho gardener. Or is it too boring over there???

Why too lazy to log in, LT LUrker/ Flora?

[SaWeet Sunday Surprise]

Hershey:

"Probably."
Proves you don't know diddly squat so, considering I'm coming up your way, you should consider not making defamatory statements in writing here, which can easily be disproven.

Now go back to your weeding, like a good little psycho gardener. Or is it too boring over there???
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Consider this you nut: I'm shaking in my freakin' muck boots...... NOT!!!

OOoh, don't tell anyone that Hershey Squirts was a weight watchers leader gone bad.... ..... How's that for some defamation? Scaredy scared the internet police and an obsessed retired lawyer's going to sue me.... ooh poooh pooh.

The funny thing is that I don't think that statement would bother you so much if it wasn't so close to the truth, huh? And the truth hurts. And even funnier get this I actually know someone who met you through weight watchers!!! Small world, huh?

OH, and since you asked, my garden is just fine. I've got sunflowers, and beans, tomatoes and all kinds of other goodies even though the weather has been dreadful this year.

Bring it all on spaz. I'm waiting for you with a special surprise.

[SaWeet Sunday Surprise]

Hershey:
Why too lazy to log in, LT LUrker/ Flora?
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Because I like to make your paranoid little mind wonder.....

Wonder wonder wonder........

That really seems to bother you, doesn't it? Geesh, I just might never log in again knowing that.

[Hershey]

SaWeet Sunday Surprise:

Bring it all on spaz. I'm waiting for you with a special surprise.
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ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!

Yeah, I'm really losing sleep over your not logging in. And your posts can be spotted a mile away.

[SaWeet Sunday]

Hershey:

ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!
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Oooh goodie!

Game On! Now I do hope you're not working me up with all this talk just to disappoint me with idle threats. And I do hope I'm around and not on vacation either. OH well... we'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

Stay tuned people.... Obsessed Hershey makes a road trip!

[kittyinthecity]

SaWeet Sunday:
Hershey:

ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!
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Oooh goodie!

Game On! Now I do hope you're not working me up with all this talk just to disappoint me with idle threats. And I do hope I'm around and not on vacation either. OH well... we'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

Stay tuned people.... Obsessed Hershey makes a road trip!
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It sure sounds to me like Hershey is making threats! Isn't that illegal?? At the least its not good netiquette. Oh well, as long as no one is playing any games or starting unnecessary threads or posting too much, I guess it's all okay.

[Zippy]

Hershey

Please please...this is what..day 4 of you here from morning till night ? Typing away nasty grams to people who according to you are so far beneath you. YOU claim to have a life...but I cant see how.

Just stand up brush off the food crumbs from your lap and go outside and get some fresh air. Mayb kick the neighbors puppy..or yell at some kids.

ANYTHING but being here all day !!! I worry about you hun :)

[kittyinthecity]

Hey Zippy! Can't you just picture Obsessed Hershey making her road trip? Think she plans to sit on SaWeet? OR do you think she'll arrive locked and loaded???

[Cindyloo]

Air fare is down a little, perhaps take a plane, it would be quicker...(:

Yes, to me they are threats. Not good.

[kittyinthecity]

Cindyloo:
Air fare is down a little, perhaps take a plane, it would be quicker...(:

Yes, to me they are threats. Not good.
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A plane would be faster, but she might not be able to get her shotgun on board. :)

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet on Sunday:
Linda Lou is *not* evil and meanspirited, at least from what little I Know from here and here alone. I really don't know any more than that but that's my general impression.

Linda.......Thank you for your perception of me. There's no pretense with me. And I do try to convey being a fun loving person who just likes to converse and have a good laugh.

Oh, how did it all go so wrong?? Whatta mess.


Saweet....... Hershey, on the other hand is rotten to the core, devious and deviant, with no conscience. Antisocial and sociopathic and psychotic. I could add a few more adjectives but I think you get my drift. OH, and I almost forgot doesn't like children either as you all have been aware of. Actually, I don't think she likes men either, but that's another subject. But wait? Is there anyone she does like? OH maybe Cher.... I"ll give her that one.

Linda......CHER????? That's funny.

Saweet.......I"m still wondering though how people get fired from being a weight watcher leader. Of course I never could understand how a nasty like Hershey/Olantern could ever become a leader since she's about the most unsympathetic and unsupportive person I've come across in this lifetime.

Linda........Perhaps they don't get fired, persay, since it's not a paying position, so much as asked to uh, step down.

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[Zippy]

Kitty why do you always make me laugh when I am sipping my coffee? lol

Hershey...ROAD TRIP?

Oh Pulease....I can just see her rolling down the highways in her computer chair. A shot gun in one hand and a bucket of KFC chicken in the other.

Yelling at at cars to get out of the fast lane if they dont want to do the speed limit...while peppering their cars with extra crispy spittle!

[SaWeet]

kittyinthecity:
Hey Zippy! Can't just picture Obsessed Hershey making her road trip? Think she plans to sit on SaWeet? OR do you think she'll arrive locked and loaded???
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In order to sit on me she'd have to move her fat butt several hundred miles from where she is. Right now I think she's pretty much addicted and glued to the internet and this website in particular. I can't picture her breaking away any time soon, she's just gotten worse since she's had more time on her hands... I think she's just making idle threats, like usual....

It is interesting though how she would threaten to come visit me when she's already been warned in writing that any more attempts to contact me via telephone or otherwise will result in legal action. Maybe I should research my restraining order options a bit further, at least a no trespass order might be in order.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
SaWeet Sunday Surprise:

Bring it all on spaz. I'm waiting for you with a special surprise.
www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539819


ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!

Yeah, I'm really losing sleep over your not logging in. And your posts can be spotted a mile away.
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Now this right here is a real surprise. Man, does H seemed irrational, or what?? Wow. For once, I'm not even kidding here.

All the more ironic, because she constantly asks if someone is threatening her, with only words or statements, and she's always screaming about making a "hard copy".

This sounds like she intends to inflict some kind of real physical harm. WHat kind of person is she really? Talk about having mental disorders like she accuses me of. Hmmm.

[Linda Lou]

Cindyloo:
Air fare is down a little, perhaps take a plane, it would be quicker...(:

Yes, to me they are threats. Not good.
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Boy Cindy, the way she hates me, I'm so sorry I EVER mentioned the city in which I live! If she comes gunnin' for me, can I go to your house??

[Linda Lou]

Zippy:
Hershey

Please please...this is what..day 4 of you here from morning till night ? Typing away nasty grams to people who according to you are so far beneath you. YOU claim to have a life...but I cant see how.

Just stand up brush off the food crumbs from your lap and go outside and get some fresh air. Mayb kick the neighbors puppy..or yell at some kids.

ANYTHING but being here all day !!! I worry about you hun :)
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No animals may be harmed in her tirades, Zip!!!!! Awwww, poor little puppies.

[kittyinthecity]

Zippy:
Kitty why do you always make me laugh when I am sipping my coffee? lol

Hershey...ROAD TRIP?

Oh Pulease....I can just see her rolling down the highways in her computer chair. A shot gun in one hand and a bucket of KFC chicken in the other.

Yelling at at cars to get out of the fast lane if they dont want to do the speed limit...while peppering their cars with extra crispy spittle!
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Okay, you got me back!

And its called SHCTMN. shooting hot coffee through my nose. LOL!!!

Luv the extra crispy spittle!!! LOLOLOL!

[Hershey]

Linda Lou:


Linda........Perhaps they don't get fired, persay, since it's not a paying position, so much as asked to uh, step down.

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www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539833


Linda, it is absolutely fascinating how one person can be so totally wrong about so many things. It's a much easier count to see how many things in a day you might be right about. You are such a total screw up, even in your posts.

[Cindyloo]

I forgot about that Kitty, yep no guns or tweezers or fingernail clippers allowed on planes...lol

Sure Linda, come on to my house! Like the song says...lol

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet:
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It is interesting though how she would threaten to come visit me when she's already been warned in writing that any more attempts to contact me via telephone or otherwise will result in legal action. Maybe I should research my restraining order options a bit further, at least a no trespass order might be in order.
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My Lord!!! It's all coming out in the open now isn't it!

Warned in writing?? Possible legal action???? You know, I hope that some of this stuff opens the eyes of Herpes' most staunch defenders like pandagirl, aka sandydc and tweetypie. I mean, how can you deny there's definately something seriously wrong with her.

Ehh, they'll find a way around it. The whole world is freakin' crazy but those 3.

[Hershey]

SaWeet:
It is interesting though how she would threaten to come visit me when she's already been warned in writing that any more attempts to contact me via telephone or otherwise will result in legal action.
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HUH?????????????????

I haven't a clue what you are posting about, but believe me, any "warning" from you would have as much value to me as a piece of three day old dog turd LOL.
And oooohhhhhh I'd be sooooo afraid of, gasp, legal action from you!!!!!! ROTLMAO!!!

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Linda Lou:


Linda........Perhaps they don't get fired, persay, since it's not a paying position, so much as asked to uh, step down.

www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539814
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Linda, it is absolutely fascinating how one person can be so totally wrong about so many things. It's a much easier count to see how many things in a day you might be right about. You are such a total screw up, even in your posts.
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Good Morning you wonderful whack job you. Just when I thought I knew so much about you, I learn even more from these informative posts.

I wouldn't go talking about screw ups. Lets see how many lies you can post. Did you ever own up to posting that your parents were divorced, in the Kathy's ring thread, or are you still claiming that it was Jenna telling me it in a pm???? Baaaad Jenna.

Nope. You're crazy. I'm convinced of it now. Threatening people and everything. Hope you get what you deserve.

Oh, DOES WW pay???

[SaWeet Sunday]

Hershey:

I haven't a clue what you are posting about, but believe me, any "warning" from you would have as much value to me as a piece of three day old dog turd LOL.
And oooohhhhhh I'd be sooooo afraid of, gasp, legal action from you!!!!!! ROTLMAO!!!
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Of course not....

Shall I print the email and send it to your shack? Registered mail?

As I said before, should you try to contact me off line again, you're going to have serious problems. Guaranteed and that's a fact. It's a pretty small world psycho, and you'd be surprised at who knows you and knows all about what you're about.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
SaWeet Sunday Surprise:

Bring it all on spaz. I'm waiting for you with a special surprise.
www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539819

Hershey:
ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!



There, right there!! that's a threat, plain as I've ever seen one. I'm making a hard copy right now!!!

[SaWeet Sunday]

Linda Lou:
Hershey:
I'm making a hard copy right now!!!
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Don't bother LL, it's a waste of paper.

Hey Hershey, my friends are watching you....
They know your vehicle.
They know your location.
They know you are a few fries short of a happy meal.

All makes for a pretty boring story actually because you have very little personal interactions offline. But it's fun to know!

[Linda Lou]

Zippy:
Kitty why do you always make me laugh when I am sipping my coffee? lol

Hershey...ROAD TRIP?

Oh Pulease....I can just see her rolling down the highways in her computer chair. A shot gun in one hand and a bucket of KFC chicken in the other.

Yelling at at cars to get out of the fast lane if they dont want to do the speed limit...while peppering their cars with extra crispy spittle!
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LOLOLOL!!! Zip, you are TOO much! "a shot gun in one hand, a bucket of KFC in the other" LOLOL!!! OMG, I dont know when I laughed so hard. I'll never look at a computer chair in the same way again!

[Linda Lou]

Cindyloo:
I forgot about that Kitty, yep no guns or tweezers or fingernail clippers allowed on planes...lol

Sure Linda, come on to my house! Like the song says...lol
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I love that song Cindy! "Come on to my house, my house, Come on to my house, I'm gonna give you candy!" LOL!

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet Sunday:
Linda Lou:
Hershey:
I'm making a hard copy right now!!!
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Don't bother LL, it's a waste of paper.

Hey Hershey, my friends are watching you....
They know your vehicle.
They know your location.
They know you are a few fries short of a happy meal.

All makes for a pretty boring story actually because you have very little personal interactions offline. But it's fun to know!
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And you know what?? She just accused me, a few days ago, of not having any friends in real life, as if she could possibly know how many friends I have, and she says this site, and HER, is my life! LOLOLOLOL!!!! Oh, and not to mention how she says I have mental disorders and multiple personalities.

Saweet, if you can think of anything else you'd like to share about her, you have a captive audience. :)

[Cindyloo]

I love that song too Linda. Yeah, come on over, I'll cook ya up some grub.

Linda, I meant to say, I wish your brother well in his surgery. I hope I read it right, that he will be having gastric bypass surgery? Good luck to him!

[Linda Lou]

Cindyloo:
I love that song too Linda. Yeah, come on over, I'll cook ya up some grub.

Linda, I meant to say, I wish your brother well in his surgery. I hope I read it right, that he will be having gastric bypass surgery? Good luck to him!
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((((CINDY)))) Thanks, friend. He's being evaluated for the surgery. They have to make sure he can survive the surgery, and they just put him on oxygen for when he sleeps at nite. His heart is enlarged, so it's hard for him to breath. Thanks for your concern. Lord willing, he'll make it.

[Cindyloo]

<<<((((CINDY)))) Thanks, friend. He's being evaluated for the surgery. They have to make sure he can survive the surgery, and they just put him on oxygen for when he sleeps at nite. His heart is enlarged, so it's hard for him to breath. Thanks for your concern. Lord willing, he'll make it.>>>

Awe, God love him.

I hope he will be alright with his evaluation and able to have the surgery. Keep me posted about it.

Hugs right back at ya!

[Linda Lou]

I'll definately let you know Cindy. Thanks again.

[Zippy]

Sorry Linda...I didnt know he was that bad :(

((Hugs for you and your brother)))

[Linda Lou]

Zippy:
Sorry Linda...I didnt know he was that bad :(

((Hugs for you and your brother)))
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Thank so much Zip. That's why I started this whole thread in the first place. Needed some kind of feed back for a desparate situation. Hopefully, it'll end well. It's a miracle that he's even considering the surgery now.

[Hershey]

SaWeet Sunday:
As I said before, should you try to contact me off line again, you're going to have serious problems. Guaranteed and that's a fact. It's a pretty small world psycho, and you'd be surprised at who knows you and knows all about what you're about.
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ROTFLMA. Sorry, darlin' wasn't me. Never tried to contact you offline; I wouldn't waste a long distance call. LOL Too funny! You are more psycho than I thought. Or someone is playing head games with you (which would't be too hard to do)

Ohhhhhhh!!I'm so scared!! Somone knows about me and what I'm about!!
Ohhhhhhh!!! Scary! Flora's got me shakin' in my boots. ROTFLMAO!!!
And they know my car and license number and what I'm all about!
Well hey, that's great if I take my car! Then you're all ready for me. IF I take my car LOL. I can see how many brains it would take to outsmart you country folk! R O T F L M A O

[kittyinthecity]

No car, just rolling down the highway in her computer chair with her shotgun and KFC. See, Zip was right!

[Hershey]

Hey, Trashkitty. Do you ever spend time with Trashyhubby or Trashfamily? You are always here!! Watching and waiting to stir the post more. Always.
Maybe Trashubby can't stand you, eh?

[Linda Lou]

kittyinthecity:
No car, just rolling down the highway in her computer chair with her shotgun and KFC. See, Zip was right!
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LOL!! Well, if H isn't the same person that's threatened Saweet offline, then why in the heck is she threatening her with surprises when she comes her way. Strange.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Hey, Trashkitty. Do you ever spend time with Trashyhubby or Trashfamily? You are always here!! Watching and waiting to stir the post more. Always.
Maybe Trashubby can't stand you, eh?
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You forgot the "White" part again, Judy. Oh and quit stirring those posts will you kitty??

It's so funny! Let's face it, lately we're ALL here ALOT! What's the big deal anyhow?? Hypocrite.

[kittyinthecity]

Linda Lou:
kittyinthecity:
No car, just rolling down the highway in her computer chair with her shotgun and KFC. See, Zip was right!
www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539882


LOL!! Well, if H isn't the same person that's threatened Saweet offline, then why in the heck is she threatening her with surprises when she comes her way. Strange.
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Very good point!

[Zippy]

Hershey:
Hey, Trashkitty. Do you ever spend time with Trashyhubby or Trashfamily? You are always here!! Watching and waiting to stir the post more. Always.
Maybe Trashubby can't stand you, eh?
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LOL

Squirts your jealousy is showing

Why arent you spending time with your SquirtMother or Squirtdog?

[kittyinthecity]

LOL! Stirring the posts!

Now that's funny!

[Zippy]

Bad kitty...bad bad Kitty

[Zippy]

Kitty...I like my posts shaken..not stirred

IF you dont mind lol

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!

Yeah, I'm really losing sleep over your not logging in. And your posts can be spotted a mile away.
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[Linda Lou]

Zippy:
Kitty...I like my posts shaken..not stirred

IF you dont mind lol
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LOLOLOL!!!!

[Sooner]

Zippy:
Kitty why do you always make me laugh when I am sipping my coffee? lol

Hershey...ROAD TRIP?

Oh Pulease....I can just see her rolling down the highways in her computer chair. A shot gun in one hand and a bucket of KFC chicken in the other.

Yelling at at cars to get out of the fast lane if they dont want to do the speed limit...while peppering their cars with extra crispy spittle!
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Sorry, but that was funny!

[Hershey]

Linda Lou:
LOL!! Well, if H isn't the same person that's threatened Saweet offline, then why in the heck is she threatening her with surprises when she comes her way.

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Hey, LindaLowI.Q.,
What exactly is this threat you are saying I made to "Saweet" offline? Do tell. Come on now; you are saying I threatened her. Exactly WHAT?!
Name it. Right now.
And you'd better be right, darlin' or you've got some problems.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
got some business there. I doubt your hubby will like the bad publicity. LOL
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Wonder what Judy is planning? A billboard maybe?? A radio spot?? lol!

[kittyinthecity]

Zippy:
Kitty...I like my posts shaken..not stirred

IF you dont mind lol
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You always have to be special don't you, Zippy?

Fine.

<kitty shaking the posts for Zippy> ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v

[kittyinthecity]

LL ~ ooooo, and what happens if you're not right??

ROTFLMAOWPIMP!

[Zippy]

Ohhhhhhhhh Linda YOU better be right or you got problems!!!!!!

Watch it now girls...Hershey is getting mad !

No telling what she might do...just watch out she might start throwing sucked clean chicken bones at us lol

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
SaWeet Sunday Surprise:

Bring it all on spaz. I'm waiting for you with a special surprise.
www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showpost.php?p=1539819


ROTFLMAO not as many surprises as I have for you. And they won't be pretty! LOL Ooooohhhh I can hardly wait!!!

Yeah, I'm really losing sleep over your not logging in. And your posts can be spotted a mile away.
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THIS IS A THREAT Otis, plain and simple. You'll talk you're way out of it Gasbag. You always do. A real manipulator, you are. Ooooo, and I better be right huh?? what are ya gonna do, come to Bflo, and surprise me too?

*Linda lobs 20 lb. weight in H's direction*

[SaWeet LT Lurker]

Hershey:
What exactly is this threat you are saying I made to "Saweet" offline? Do tell. Come on now; you are saying I threatened her. Exactly WHAT?!
Name it. Right now.
And you'd better be right, darlin' or you've got some problems.
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Before this gets too out of hand... as if it isn't already....

I believe she's referring to the phone call you made to my office. Which was not a threat.

We're all still shaking in our shoes with your threats of creating problems.... The one with the biggest problem here honey is yourself. And it's only getting bigger with each post.

[Linda Lou]

kittyinthecity:
LL ~ ooooo, and what happens if you're not right??

ROTFLMAOWPIMP!
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LOLOL!!! Exactly! I'm askeered!!!

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet LT Lurker:
Hershey:
What exactly is this threat you are saying I made to "Saweet" offline? Do tell. Come on now; you are saying I threatened her. Exactly WHAT?!
Name it. Right now.
And you'd better be right, darlin' or you've got some problems.
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Before this gets too out of hand... as if it isn't already....

I believe she's referring to the phone call you made to my office. Which was not a threat.

We're all still shaking in our shoes with your threats of creating problems.... The one with the biggest problem here honey is yourself. And it's only getting bigger with each post.
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Yes, the phone call, but also the fact that she has surprises for you, when she comes your way, and their not gonna be purdy!

[SaWeet]

Zippy:
No telling what she might do...just watch out she might start throwing sucked clean chicken bones at us lol
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Yeah! Food fight!!!!

[kittyinthecity]

Gosh, I really gotta run, but Zippy will you take over the shaking while I'm gone? heeheehee.

Continue on please....

can't wait to hear what happens to Linda if she's wrong.....

luv the sucked clean chicken bones though. Nice touch!

[Linda Lou]

Giggle snort. "I better be right or I'm gonna have some problems". Sheesh.

She's been exposed as a liar, and apparently has MANY problems with, well, just about everybody from other BB's.

I think she has the REAL problems. You better get yourself some REAL help.

[Zippy]

Haha With Hershey around.. will be just Whooper wrappers and assorted bones.. Im afraid

[Zippy]

OK Kitty...see ya later...watch your back hun !

I gotta run also...another nice day here <hint hint>

[Linda Lou]

Zippy:
Ohhhhhhhhh Linda YOU better be right or you got problems!!!!!!

Watch it now girls...Hershey is getting mad !

No telling what she might do...just watch out she might start throwing sucked clean chicken bones at us lol
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LOL!! Just as long as she does it from her computer chair, rolling along the highway.

[Sooner]

Zippy,

What are you on this morning? I want some. :)

[Linda Lou]

You're right, it IS a nice day Zip! Too nice to sit here all danged day.

Till we meet again H!!! LOL!

I am REALLY liking Saweet, BTW.

I'll bring a vat of Jello for the food fight when I get back a little later! Yee haw!!!

[Hershey]

SaWeet LT Lurker:
I believe she's referring to the phone call you made to my office. Which was not a threat.

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Imagine that! Linda Loser was wrong AGAIN!!!

[SaWeet LTL]

Hershey:
LL, it's LTLurker too lazy to sign in, and she is far from sweet anything.
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I've got to go do some political little thingy now for the paper, but I'll be back here later for you honey.

I don't sign in now just because I know it annoys you. And I'm not debating "proof" of anything here with you.

Just keep making the threats, here for all to see, and when you get here you'll have a nice surprise! Guaranteed!

[Hershey]

SaWeet LTL:
And I'm not debating "proof" of anything here with you.

Just keep making the threats, here for all to see, and when you get here you'll have a nice surprise! Guaranteed!
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'Course you aren't debating proof since you have none. There isn't any to be had.
Oooooohhhhh weeeeee!!! We'll both have nice suprises!!!

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
SaWeet LT Lurker:
I believe she's referring to the phone call you made to my office. Which was not a threat.

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Imagine that! Linda Loser was wrong AGAIN!!!
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Hmmm. Well to LTL, if I mistook you for another poster, re: the phone call, my apologies. I can always admit when I'm wrong unlike Hortense.

I'll say this; I'm POSITIVE that someone from this site told me that Hortense DID call their place of employment and told them that this person was posting during working hours.

Of course, Hortense will "LOL LOL LOL" and say I'm wrong. "AGAIN!"

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
SaWeet LTL:
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'Course you aren't debating proof since you have none. There isn't any to be had.
Oooooohhhhh weeeeee!!! We'll both have nice suprises!!!
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If there isn't any proof, then it because you are probably very careful to cover your tracks.

Gee, more veiled threats in the guise of a surprise! Hey, that rhymes! tee hee. Hmmm, what kind of surprise could H have up her generous sleeve??

I'm intrigued, especially because she keeps insisting that she's not threatening anyone, but clearly, she is.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
SaWeet Sunday:
As I said before, should you try to contact me off line again, you're going to have serious problems. Guaranteed and that's a fact. It's a pretty small world psycho, and you'd be surprised at who knows you and knows all about what you're about.
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Just for clarification purposes, I didn't suggest that Hortense tried to contact LTL off line. I think things are getting mixed up. LTL says it in the first sentence of the above post. I was just repeating it in some of my posts as a point of reference re: threats.

I still stand by my other post, that someone DID tell me that she called their place of employment.

[Zippy]

Sooner:
Zippy,

What are you on this morning? I want some. :)
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LOL Sooner

Coffee...black

and 4 hours of sleep. It can be a very punchy combo lol

[Hershey]

Linda Lou:
Just for clarification purposes, I didn't suggest that Hortense tried to contact LTL off line. I think things are getting mixed up. LTL says it in the first sentence of the above post. I was just repeating it in some of my posts as a point of reference re: threats.

I still stand by my other post, that someone DID tell me that she called their place of employment.
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Maybe if you stopped repeating things that "someone tells you" and things you "hear" to inflate your self importance you wouldn't be so full of sh*t.

[Linda Lou]

Hershey:
Linda Lou:
Just for clarification purposes, I didn't suggest that Hortense tried to contact LTL off line. I think things are getting mixed up. LTL says it in the first sentence of the above post. I was just repeating it in some of my posts as a point of reference re: threats.

I still stand by my other post, that someone DID tell me that she called their place of employment.
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Maybe if you stopped repeating things that "someone tells you" and things you "hear" to inflate your self importance you wouldn't be so full of sh*t.
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Nope, it's not to inflate my importance Hortense; gee a tube of hand cream or a moissanite can do that! It IS the truth, no sh*t.

YOU just don't like that I know it. HA! You'd be very surprised how much I've been told. You're lucky I don't spill it all. And if I were you, I certainly wouldn't be talking about being full of sh*t. LOL! You really have been caught with your big bloomers down lately, haven't you?? LOLOL

Yeah, Jenna's the one who told me about your parents divorce! HAH! You posted it yourself, dummy. And what about saying you don't have a eating disorder?? Maybe you are just a recovered bulimic. There's always the chance to slip back, maybe from all this stress.

[SaWeet Sunday Afternoon]

Linda Lou:
I think things are getting mixed up.
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Yes, they are apparently. I'm done with this for now because it's like a "who's on first" joke at this point.

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Hershey
Maybe if you stopped repeating things that "someone tells you" and things you "hear" to inflate your self importance you wouldn't be so full of sh*t.
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Speaking of being full of feces That would be you Hershey Squirts.
It's a much too gorgeous day here to be soured by your psychobabble. Go find a shrink, go find some drugs, or have a drink of something. Then replace the batteries in your little friend and Have a lovely evening and the most pleasant of dreams. I know I will!

[Linda Lou]

SaWeet Sunday Afternoon:
Linda Lou:
I think things are getting mixed up.
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Yes, they are apparently. I'm done with this for now because it's like a "who's on first" joke at this point.

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Awww, geez, please come back LTL! LOL! I was just clarifying my posts, b/c as you probably know, if you don't Ethel tries to rip you a new one for inconsistencies.

I find you very funny and very informative.

Love the second half of your above post BTW!! LOLOL!!!

[bill]

I used to work with a guy that had the surgury. He was 6'3" and weighed about 450.....well after he left the job I ran into him 3 years later and didnt even know who he was....he lost 250 pounds and he told me he felt great.....he looked completely different....he said it was the best thing he ever did...

[biff725]

Please bill, just tell us it was/is you.

[puddy]

You know my opinion. There is too much proof that you can lose weight at the same rate with diet and exercise. Naturally, there would be less pain, cost, risk and side effects.

Ruby is an excellent example as is the young guy in Mexico. He is following The Zone. Anyone that carries that much weight will need surgery to remove excess skin but I think the people that lost weight naturally as opposed to artificially look better before AND after the plastic surgery.

Anyone see the 600 Pound Virgin? He lost all of his weight with diet and exercise and is SO frigging cute. And happy. And healthy.

[Pal]

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You know my opinion. There is too much proof that you can lose weight at the same rate with diet and exercise. Naturally, there would be less pain, cost, risk and side effects.

Ruby is an excellent example as is the young guy in Mexico. He is following The Zone. Anyone that carries that much weight will need surgery to remove excess skin but I think the people that lost weight naturally as opposed to artificially look better before AND after the plastic surgery.

Anyone see the 600 Pound Virgin? He lost all of his weight with diet and exercise and is SO frigging cute. And happy. And healthy.

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Anybody can lose weight. That's a fact. It's KEEPING IT OFF that is the problem. Though some people do gain weight back after bypass, it's not usually the amount they lost and more.

With regular dieting, it's too easy for a person to fall back into the same bad habits and there is nothing to stop them when they fall off the wagon.

At least with the surgery, if there IS weight gain, it's gradual. And if a person has the lap band, they can always get the band filled a little more and it's just like it was when they had the surgery initially.

There are a FEW success stories of people who have lost weight and kept it off. But the percentages of people who gain all of their weight back and more, is staggering.

We'll see how Ruby is doing in a year. I would bet my house that she'll be gaining that weight back and frustrated that she can't get control again. And in 2 years, she'll probably be bigger than she was when she started losing.

When a person has life threatening issues from weight, it may be worth the risk to get the surgery.

If a person only needs to lose 10,20,30 pounds, it's different and definitely not worth the risk. But I certainly can see the benefit to a person getting the band or bypass as a last ditch effort to get the weight off and keep it off for a while, and maybe forever... :)

[puddy]

There are SO many stories out there. I know a lady that had gastic bypass and the opening was too small to allow chewed food to pass through. She passed out three times before the doctors figured out what the problem was. They told her because of the poor success rates for the surgery, she should be happy that they made a mistake. She is guaranteed to never gain weight again. But, there are two little problems with that.

#1) She has to put all of her food in a blender for the rest of her life. She will never chew food again unless she spits it out. If she swallows it, she's in trouble.

#2) When she was told about being happy they messed up, she was told in court, in front of a judge. And the judge agreed with the doctors.

Anyone know somebody that actually gained weight to qualify for surgery? I know a few. Crazy.

[Pal]

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There are SO many stories out there. I know a lady that had gastic bypass and the opening was too small to allow chewed food to pass through. She passed out three times before the doctors figured out what the problem was. They told her because of the poor success rates for the surgery, she should be happy that they made a mistake. She is guaranteed to never gain weight again. But, there are two little problems with that.

#1) She has to put all of her food in a blender for the rest of her life. She will never chew food again unless she spits it out. If she swallows it, she's in trouble.

#2) When she was told about being happy they messed up, she was told in court, in front of a judge. And the judge agreed with the doctors.

Anyone know somebody that actually gained weight to qualify for surgery? I know a few. Crazy.

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Yeah, that is a nightmare story for sure Puddy. God forbid, that poor woman's quality of life is ruined.

I know there are horror stories. And I know there are people who want the easy way out. I am really only referring to the people who will probably die very soon if they don't get the weight off and keep most of it off. Otherwise, I agree with you, it's not worth the risk.

[puddy]

I watch the Discovery Channel when they do the documentaries on Brookhaven, etc. So many have to lose before they can even be operated on and they are so miserable after. I can't see losing fifty or a hundred pounds on my own and then jumping on the operating table. Even if it's hundreds of pounds, to get one-fifth or one sixth of it off by yourself is a huge incentive.

[Pal]

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I watch the Discovery Channel when they do the documentaries on Brookhaven, etc. So many have to lose before they can even be operated on and they are so miserable after. I can't see losing fifty or a hundred pounds on my own and then jumping on the operating table. Even if it's hundreds of pounds, to get one-fifth or one sixth of it off by yourself is a huge incentive.

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Oh definitely but you have to remember that for most of those people, they HAVE lost that weight before and more.......only to gain it back. As I said, losing weight is easy easy because you are seeing a difference every week, you're feeling better, people are complimenting you and trying to keep you motivated. But as time goes by, people stop commenting, you aren't seeing the drastic changes anymore and the incentive is gone. THAT is when people start cheating, then they feel guilty, then they convince themselves that they've ruined their diet anyway and before they know it, all the weight they lost is back and more.

The bypass or lap band does slow that process down because it's more gradual. Even people like Carny Wilson, who gained back some of her weight, is NO WHERE near what she was before she had the surgery.

If the surgery is a success, it can save a person's life. I don't believe it should be done for cosmetic purposes, don't get me wrong. But where massive amounts of weight have to be lost and it's a life or death situation, I'd say it's worth the risk.

But that's only my opinion :)

[puddy]

Oh! Please don't feel that you have to explain yourself. If you typed it, it's your opinion!

The people you are referring to are sad cases. I saw the Brookhaven episode featuring Richard Hebranko. He's the man that Richard Simmons helped and within a week after reaching his goal weight, he had gained (I think) twenty pounds. He left Brookhaven and went home against the advice of the director.

You are SO right about the comments from people on weight loss. Eventually, they do stop and the person has to have more going for themselves than approval from others. No matter how it's done, it is a life long process.

The thing that I was amazed to learn was that some gastric bypass patients eventually become alchololic. Carny Wilson is one of them. She was on Dr. Oz and he explained that with so much stomach missing, there is less area to absorb the liquor. That makes it easy to get hooked. Shocking, but it makes sense.

[Pal]

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Oh! Please don't feel that you have to explain yourself. If you typed it, it's your opinion!

The people you are referring to are sad cases. I saw the Brookhaven episode featuring Richard Hebranko. He's the man that Richard Simmons helped and within a week after reaching his goal weight, he had gained (I think) twenty pounds. He left Brookhaven and went home against the advice of the director.

You are SO right about the comments from people on weight loss. Eventually, they do stop and the person has to have more going for themselves than approval from others. No matter how it's done, it is a life long process.

The thing that I was amazed to learn was that some gastric bypass patients eventually become alchololic. Carny Wilson is one of them. She was on Dr. Oz and he explained that with so much stomach missing, there is less area to absorb the liquor. That makes it easy to get hooked. Shocking, but it makes sense.

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Very interesting about the alcohol Puddy!

I know what guy you are talking about. That was so sad because he SWORE he would never look like that again, and he did.

Did you see the episode of the guy who went to Brookhaven, I think, and he died while he was there? Or the severely obese mom who had the surgery and died shorty afterwards?? They were both very sad episodes.

I watched Manny (I think that's the guy in Mexico) and his struggles. His girlfriend, their break up, them getting back together......his friend who died.......and eventually them hauling him around on a flat bed through town to celebrate his wedding. He has tried SO hard. It's been a LONG time that he has been on this zone diet. Years. And he still can't get out of bed. I have to wonder if some kind of surgery, either lap band or bypass, wouldn't have been better, ya know?

Anyway, I'm signing off for now but I enjoyed our chat :) If you respond, I'll see it tomorrow :) Night Puddy.

[puddy]

I know. I would like an update on both Richard and Manny. It may help some others that are struggling.

The thing that shocked me about Brookhaven was the amount of food getting smuggled in. It sounds crazy, but I understand the point of not stopping it. The person has an addition and has to decide to not eat that way. The staff would be wardens instead of nurses and it would not solve the true problem.

[pebbles]

My question is: Who supplies those people who are so incapacitated that they stay in bed with food? Someone must be getting them massive amounts of food for them to maintain that weight. Someone is enabling them.