Asscher cut stones [Archive]

beekeeper

07-10-2006, 12:05 PM

What do you think about this cut? I'm not personally fond of it. IMO, the pieces I've seen (in diamonique) scream fake.

QVC recently did some pieces with natural gemstones in the asscher cut that were ok. I LOVE the emerald cut but for some reason ... I just don't love this one.

QVC has 62 items with this cut, HSN has 4. Neither ShopNBC nor JTV had any.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 12:09 PM

I'm with you Bee. I don't think it looks believable at all, at least not in Diamonique. I would like to see the cut in a natural gemstone, but haven't as yet.

beekeeper

07-10-2006, 12:16 PM

Looks like they offer 3 different items (ring, pendant and earrings) in asscher cut amethyst, garnet, blue topaz or citrine. IMO, the citrine is the prettiest, but I'd still rather have the stone in an emerald cut.

Garnet333

07-10-2006, 01:47 PM

Hi Bee and Linda :)

I dont like the Asscher cut either. I remember when they had the Diamonique Asscher cut ring as the TSV. Not only was it not believeable, it was an ugly ring. Of course that is just my opinion :)

Hershey

07-10-2006, 02:05 PM

I don't like them. I saw those real gemstones cut in Asscher and didn't like them either. That cut to me looks like a diamond cutter tried to do a princess cut stone or emerald cut stone but was too hung over to do it right.
And I really hate when QVC shows an Asscher cut ring in a setting where the stone is turned on its side like a baseball diamond. Fugly!

elmo

07-10-2006, 02:25 PM

I don't like it at all. And the Q is really pushing it. Wonder why.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 03:42 PM

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Hi Bee and Linda :)

I dont like the Asscher cut either. I remember when they had the Diamonique Asscher cut ring as the TSV. Not only was it not believeable, it was an ugly ring. Of course that is just my opinion :)
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Hiya Garnet! You know, even though I took the GIA course in diamonds and gemstones years ago, I never seem to recall any mention of the Asscher as a cut of stone! I mean, how prominent could it have been that it didn't make the books??

I also remember that TSV, and didn't like it either. I also don't like when they "frame" the stone with gold and smaller stones.

Hershey

07-10-2006, 04:29 PM

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You know, even though I took the GIA course in diamonds and gemstones years ago...

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Really, Linda Lou? Where did you take it? When did you take it? Why didn't you pursue that as a career? I would never have guessed you were so knowledgeable about diamonds and gems.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 04:50 PM

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You know, even though I took the GIA course in diamonds and gemstones years ago...

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Really, Linda Lou? Where did you take it? When did you take it? Why didn't you pursue that as a career? I would never have guessed you were so knowledgeable about diamonds and gems.
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Oh good grief, Hershey! You never believe much of anything, do you? Why do you seem so incensed?? Is there something that bugs you about me saying I took a damned GIA course? It was a simple statement of fact.

I did sell jewelry for a number of years. It's not required to sell jewelry, but I wanted to. I didn't say I was a freakin' Gemologist! I thought you read my posts much closer than that.................

Hershey

07-10-2006, 05:28 PM

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Why do you seem so incensed??

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Trust me, Linda Lou, you have never seen me incensed. Incredulous would be a more appropriate description. And I noticed you never answered my questions; good diversion tactics.

mystylady

07-10-2006, 05:36 PM

Why would you be incredulous about Linda being knowledgable about diamonds and gems?
What's so hard to believe about that?

Hershey

07-10-2006, 05:45 PM

Mystylady, it's rather a culmination of recent posts that is straining my credulity. Perhaps LL has had a course in gemology from the GIA - could be. But how convenient that on the Moissanite thread LL posted "I do own a 1.5 round brilliant in a solitare setting." And on the glitter thread, no sooner did someone mention Avon Exotic Beaches that Linda Lou just happened to have some, a gift from her uncle. And now on the Asscher cut thread, LL just happens to have had a course from the GIA. Maybe all this is true. However, as I say, she is straining my credulity. I am merely expressing my opinion, since you asked. Others may certainly disagree. But I'm at the point where I'm thinking "oh, come on!"

mystylady

07-10-2006, 05:53 PM

I believe her.
Why would she make any of those things up? She obviously was responding to the topic at hand. Do you have a problem? Or what?

Hershey

07-10-2006, 05:58 PM

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mystylady:
I believe her.
Why would she make any of those things up? She obviously was responding to the topic at hand. Do you have a problem? Or what?
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Believing her is certainly your prerogative, mystylady, just as not believing her is mine. Do you have a problem? Or what?

Why would she make any of those things up? To inflate her importance. My opinion. Had she answered my questions in the first place, instead of using a diversion tactic not to, I might have been more prone to believe her, at least about the GIA post, not necessarily the others.

Unregistered

07-10-2006, 06:12 PM

IMO, sometimes posters get carried away with how much they have or what they might know......

mystylady

07-10-2006, 06:24 PM

How would owning a Moissanite ring or Avon Exotic Beaches "elevate her importance"? It doesn't make sense to say that, IMHO. I'm all for freedom of speech, and the right to state one's opinions, don't get me wrong. It just seemed to me that you were jumping the gun.
What if it's just not anyone's business? Could you accept that? Being so understanding and all?
I don't mean to tick you off... I'm just saying.

Hershey

07-10-2006, 06:31 PM

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What if it's just not anyone's business?

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Huh? If it was posted here, how is that nobody's business?
Look, mystylady, let's just leave it as you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. I don't think we are going to convince each other of anything different.

kittyinthecity

07-10-2006, 06:37 PM

As far as the Moissanite goes, Linda told me she had one months ago when we were talking about them and how it has a greenish cast in the sunlight. This was back when I first saw them at a department store.

And really, you're right Mysty, how is owning Avon elevating your importance? Maybe if it was Chanel! I probably wouldn't talk about my Avon products. Not that I have any, of course!! lol!

Some posters just don't like other posters and that's all there is to it.

mystylady

07-10-2006, 06:38 PM

Unregistered wrote: IMO, sometimes posters get carried away with how much they have or what they might know......

True. But not always. Who's to say? A lot of what we hear we have to take at face value. Being in a faceless, nameless BB Community, it comes with the territory, I guess.
You DO get to somewhat "know" certain folks though, and make good friends too, I might add!
Sometimes specific personalities just clash and will until the end of time. It's unavoidable and expected. For the most part, I've seen the posters here just try and get along. If they can.
And then there are those who no matter what you do or say, they want to pick a fight about it. Unfortunate but true. Life isn't interesting enough without a gripe, I suppose. At least to some people. I say "knock yourself out"! That doesn't mean "feed the fire"! This is ALL IMHO, of course! I prefer to stay out of the line of fire if I can help it.

Hershey

07-10-2006, 06:41 PM

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mystylady:
That doesn't mean "feed the fire"! This is ALL IMHO, of course! I prefer to stay out of the line of fire if I can help it.

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Really? Seems to me that you are feeding the fire! You jumped right in to a discussion between Linda Lou and me to do just that.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 06:41 PM

Hershey, while I'm very flattered by the intense interest that you've always taken in my posts, I don't ask you where you attended law school, what year you graduated, how your grades were, and what made you seek after the position that you ended your career with, do I?

I'm straining YOUR credibility, because of things that I post on, that I either know about or have an interest in?? As if it were some kind of big whoop that I mentioned a GIA course, or Avon lotion, or having a Moissanite! OMG, it sounds so very silly and trivial just repeating all this back! I will ALWAYS post on things that I know about, or care about, just like you or others do!

Let's face it; it's the fact that it's ME posting about the above that bugs you the most.

I explained more than I should have by stating that I took that GIA course while selling jewelry. It's was very helpful and interesting, too. But, this is not a courtroom. You are obviously just looking for a fight. You are in this one alone.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 06:44 PM

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That doesn't mean "feed the fire"! This is ALL IMHO, of course! I prefer to stay out of the line of fire if I can help it.

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Really? Seems to me that you are feeding the fire! You jumped right in to a discussion between Linda Lou and me to do just that.
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Oh there was NO discussion between you and me Hershey. There never is; you just like to jump on me, attempt to discredit me, and just be miserable to me in general. Mysty and kitty: Please just leave all this nonsense be. It's not worth the aggravation.

mystylady

07-10-2006, 06:51 PM

I didn't know that replying to one of your posts was going to be anything but that, Hershey. Isn't the point of the whole thing to get feedback? Or is it that you just don't like what I had to say?
I have to agree with Kitty... some posters DON'T like other posters, and that, as the melon-headed one said, is that.
Hershey, you obviously have a problem with Linda, but I know for a fact that she's one of the most down-to-earth, good hearted and honest people on this web site. So I had to come to her defense. Badda BING. So what's YOUR take on Asscher cut stones?

kittyinthecity

07-10-2006, 06:52 PM

Oh and before someone jumps on me about the Avon remark, I was kidding. There is nothing wrong with Avon. They have some wonderful products. Actually I ordered an eye treatment and skin cream from the Anew line this morning. Really, I'm not just trying act all important or anything.

mystylady

07-10-2006, 06:55 PM

Hi you cantaloupe head you! I love Avon too... no need to 'splain! They have a time-tested thing goin' on!
I really need to find a rep. Usually there's a catalogue in the break room at work, but hasn't been for a couple of months. The Anew line is fabulous, IMHO!

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 06:58 PM

Okay kids, that's it. I'm taking off my Moissanite, rubbing a little Avon Exotic Beaches cream on my hands, and then I might review some of my old GIA literature before I go to bed, just to refresh my memory.

Oh and Mysty, same back to ya, kid! You are a hoot! You too, little Melon!

Hershey

07-10-2006, 06:58 PM

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Hershey, while I'm very flattered by the intense interest that you've always taken in my posts, I don't ask you where you attended law school, what year you graduated, how your grades were, and what made you seek after the position that you ended your career with, do I?

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Why would you? I've never posted any personal information about myself so why would you be questioning me about things I've never posted? However, I am remarking on your posts. D'uh.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 07:00 PM

Good night, sweet Hershey. Your hatred is showing. Again.

Rowan

07-10-2006, 07:01 PM

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Linda Lou:
Hershey, while I'm very flattered by the intense interest that you've always taken in my posts, I don't ask you where you attended law school, what year you graduated, how your grades were, and what made you seek after the position that you ended your career with, do I?
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Where has Hershey herself ever mentioned what her chosen profession is?

Hershey

07-10-2006, 07:03 PM

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Good night, sweet Hershey. Your hatred is showing. Again.
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Good night, Linda Lou. I do commend you on your avoidance tactics. See? A compliment to you.

mystylady

07-10-2006, 07:04 PM

Yeah, I'm done with this thread. Pointless.

kittyinthecity

07-10-2006, 07:07 PM

Night-night.

(way to kill a good thread)

mystylady

07-10-2006, 07:37 PM

LOL Kitty... maybe on another board? You know the one!

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 11:39 PM

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Why do you seem so incensed??

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Trust me, Linda Lou, you have never seen me incensed.
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Now what is the above statement, if not indicitive of an over-inflated sense of self importance? Much more so than mentioning a $6 tube of handcream, or a over-priced created diamond simulant. Sheesh.

There's also many things I've mentioned on the threads that I would LOVE to own, but don't---a pink sapphire, a 2 ct. diamond, a laptop. And even if I had those things, I think it would take more than THAT to make me feel that I was in any way self important.

There were valid points I was trying to make with my posts. I never heard of the Asscher cut in the Diamond course I took. My invalid Uncle can't shop, so a Avon lady who comes to the home he's in takes his orders for gifts and suggested the cream to him. A thread on Moissanite comes up, I own one, should I not give my opinion about what it looks like? I have many faults, but I DO try to be honest.

This whole thing is so very ridiculous......most likely a hoped for end result of me not posting anymore, or posting far less, and it hasn't worked before, and it won't now. Overall, I still enjoy coming to these boards more than I do not.

Linda Lou

07-10-2006, 11:44 PM

Rowan

07-11-2006, 12:19 AM

Linda,
Since you answered Hershey's questions, I'd like an answer to what I asked above which was.....Where has Hershey herself ever mentioned what her chosen profession is? I'm not trying to be rude here, just wondering if I missed a post where she mentioned it....

Hershey

07-11-2006, 05:08 AM

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Really, Linda Lou? Where did you take it? When did you take it? Why didn't you pursue that as a career? I would never have guessed you were so knowledgeable about diamonds and gems.
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Rowan, Linda Lou didn't answer my questions. She only posted that she took a course years ago when selling jewelry.

Sidda

07-11-2006, 10:07 AM

i don't like the asscher cut diamonique

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07-11-2006, 10:27 AM

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Hi Bee and Linda :)

I dont like the Asscher cut either. I remember when they had the Diamonique Asscher cut ring as the TSV. Not only was it not believeable, it was an ugly ring. Of course that is just my opinion :)
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Hiya Garnet! You know, even though I took the GIA course in diamonds and gemstones years ago, I never seem to recall any mention of the Asscher as a cut of stone! I mean, how prominent could it have been that it didn't make the books??

I also remember that TSV, and didn't like it either. I also don't like when they "frame" the stone with gold and smaller stones.
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Actually, getting back to the Asscher cut..that's actually one of the oldest diamond cuts. It goes WAY back. Its just a rare cut.

I know this because I write about jewelry and this particular cut was really popular in the South way back when.

kittyinthecity

07-11-2006, 10:36 AM

Actually I read that it was invented in the early 20th century and is now enjoying a resurgence. You might be thinking of the Rose cut. That one is very old.

I do like the Asscher cut.

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 02:15 PM

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Since you answered Hershey's questions, I'd like an answer to what I asked above which was.....Where has Hershey herself ever mentioned what her chosen profession is? I'm not trying to be rude here, just wondering if I missed a post where she mentioned it....
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No Rowan, Hershey never mentioned it in a post, I don't think. I just read it on different threads from other posters from other boards that know of her background, like LT Lurker.

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 02:17 PM

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Rowan, Linda Lou didn't answer my questions. She only posted that she took a course years ago when selling jewelry.
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Hershey, here's it is in a nutshell for ya. I didn't answer your clearly hostile questions, b/c they were sarcastic and unbelieving in nature. Now if you had wanted to discuss it reasonably, I would've been happy to explain the course that I took.

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07-11-2006, 03:42 PM

I thought everyone knows what Hershey's profession is/was. She bragged about it often on another board. I am surprised she has been so closed mouth about it. Nice to see her humble about something.

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:01 PM

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I thought everyone knows what Hershey's profession is/was. She bragged about it often on another board. I am surprised she has been so closed mouth about it. Nice to see her humble about something.
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BRAGGED??? WHAT???? And to think I was accused of "inflating my importance" over a tube of hand cream, a GIA course, and a Moissanite?

This just don't seem very fair.

Hershey

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BRAGGED??? WHAT???? And to think I was accused of "inflating my importance" over a tube of hand cream, a GIA course, and a Moissanite?

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Yeah, LL. Go ahead and take a chickensh*t unregistered poster's assessment as the gospel truth. You are so very gullible. You believed your buddies Txn and Jas and LA too, didn't you?

Danielle

07-11-2006, 04:13 PM

apparently LL, some folk can't move on LOL..

Hershey

07-11-2006, 04:15 PM

apparently, Danielle, some people come over here to post only when there's some controversy going on. That would be YOU, dearie.....

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:21 PM

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Yeah, LL. Go ahead and take a chickensh*t unregistered poster's assessment as the gospel truth. You are so very gullible. You believed your buddies Txn and Jas and LA too, didn't you?
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Oh Hershey, you don't give a rat's ass what I think, and same here. You and you're Almighty assessments of my personality.

Yes, I did believe them. Just like everything else, some things were lies, some things were truthful.

You started this whole thing, once again, because of your hatred for me. You just won't stop. Why in the hell should I have to take a deep breath every time I submit a post, and hope that it meets with your scrutinizing eye? Believe me, those days are long over with!

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:22 PM

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No Dani, they could, but they won't.

Danielle

07-11-2006, 04:22 PM

Hersehy you make me want to grab your big cheeks and plant one on ya LOL a nice big wet one

btw have you ever dropped by the chit chat board for "trouble"?

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:28 PM

You know, this bares repeating.

I was warned recently, in a pm, that I should "enjoy" posting, for the time being, since Hershey hasn't messed with me too badly in awhile.

They were quick to add that there was no guarantee it wouldn't happen again. Sure enough, just as I answered back, it would only be a matter of time till it was "on" again! I don't think it would matter WHAT on Earth I said, or how I said it, it would never be good enough for Hershey!

Garnet333

07-11-2006, 04:29 PM

Just in case anyone really cares :)

The Asscher cut was first created in 1902 by a renowned diamond cutter, Joseph Asscher. Several years later Joseph Asscher was chosen by King Edward VII to cut the famed Cullinan diamond for the English crown jewels.

Asscher-cut diamonds are usually octagonal in shape or a square with beveled corners. They have a deep step-cut crown and pavilion that create what we call the Hall of Mirrors effect. When you look directly into a well-cut Asscher diamond you see a wonderful illusion like an infinite hallway of reflecting mirrors.

The Asscher cut of the early 1900s evolved into the elegant Emerald cut that became so popular during the Art Deco era. Many of the antique diamond cuts - Asscher, Old European and Rose cuts - are now experiencing a revival of popularity.

Choosing an Asscher Cut Diamond

The Asscher cut, is designed to draw the eye into the diamond and as such, you should always select the highest quality stone you can afford.

In order to be considered an Excellent Asscher Cut, the recommendations are:

Cut: Excellent
Color: D-K
Clarity: FL - VS-2
Depth Percentage: 65-69%
Table: 54-64%

Hershey

07-11-2006, 04:30 PM

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Hersehy you make me want to grab your big cheeks and plant one on ya LOL a nice big wet one

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How very lovely, Danielle, but I'm quite heterosexual.

Danielle

07-11-2006, 04:34 PM

so you have a problem with one woman kissing another on the cheek? now that is strange LOL

Don't visit Europe :)

Hershey

07-11-2006, 04:34 PM

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They? You mean it was more than one person? LOL

My, my, what a coincidence about that PM - IF you ever got one. LOL
Why don't you post it here? Or post them here, since "they" were quick to add that part about the guarantee.

Danielle

07-11-2006, 04:35 PM

LL a word of advice ignore her...she is trying to bait you and she's not worth it..and she won't even kiss us :(

just take a visual of Momma,from the move Throw Momma From The Train LOL

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:43 PM

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They? You mean it was more than one person? LOL

My, my, what a coincidence about that PM - IF you ever got one. LOL
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Ha Ha!!! You old eagle eye you! Yes, in this case we are able to use the word "they".

Oh, I indeed got more than one. Lots of advice to just let things go, be the bigger person, ect. when you try to ridicule my posts. Remember your exasperation on my comment on North Korea? *Linda rolls eyes*

There's always posts like that from you. Why do you have trouble believing that someone could warn me that you will start with me again?? I mean, here's proof in this very thread, you have started things up again, haven't you?

No, I won't post the pm's. Uh uh. I won't do that to the PEOPLE who sent them to me, just to appease your rabid curiousity. Don't matter if you believe it or not. Believe what you like; you usually do.

Hershey

07-11-2006, 04:45 PM

LOL LOL LOL
I'm about as "rabidly curious" as I was "incensed" last night.

Ok about not posting the multiple PMs you got, LL. Sure, sure, I believe you.
Whatever.

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:46 PM

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LL a word of advice ignore her...she is trying to bait you and she's not worth it..and she won't even kiss us :(

just take a visual of Momma,from the move Throw Momma From The Train LOL
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OMG!!! I LOVED that movie Dani! that's some visual, too! LOL!

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 04:52 PM

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LOL LOL LOL
I'm about as "rabidly curious" as I was "incensed" last night.

Ok about not posting the multiple PMs you got, LL. Sure, sure, I believe you.
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Believe as you like, Hershey. I rarely lie, unless I think it'll really hurt someone's feelings to do otherwise. I am telling the truth.

As for that "you've never seen me incensed" comment Hershey---you know, I have always hated whenever someone says something like that----as in "You'll KNOW when I'm mad".

It's so very ridiculous. As if anyone has that much power over anyone else, especially on a damned web site. Get over yourself, would be my best advice.

Hershey

07-11-2006, 04:54 PM

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Unasked for advice is unwanted advice. Besides, I value your advice about as much as I value a dog turd.

Linda Lou

07-11-2006, 05:00 PM

beekeeper

07-12-2006, 07:03 AM

Thanks for the information on the asscher cut Garnet! :-)

Garnet333

07-12-2006, 07:19 AM

You are welcome Bee :)

Linda Lou

07-12-2006, 07:25 AM

I still don't like it. ;)

beekeeper

07-12-2006, 07:37 AM

lol ... me neither Lindalou ... bleck! However, if someone offered me a real asscher cut diamond ... I guess (... sigh ...) I'd accept it. ;-)

kittyinthecity

07-12-2006, 07:42 AM

Well fine. I'll take all your Asscher cut stones!

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07-12-2006, 08:57 AM

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Yeah, now, the Rose cut is another older cut..and the Asscher cut is what...105 years old now?

In real stones, the Asscher cut is absolutely stunning!

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beekeeper:
lol ... me neither Lindalou ... bleck! However, if someone offered me a real asscher cut diamond ... I guess (... sigh ...) I'd accept it. ;-)
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Me too LOL. It wouldn't be my first, second or third choice but if it were a freebie, I too would be inclined to accept and wear :)