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Skeeter
09-05-2008, 04:29 PM
Fact check: Nominees' speeches

ST. PAUL — Here are the facts behind some of the statements made by John McCain in his acceptance speech here Thursday and Barack Obama's speech in Denver from a week ago:
McCain

•Taxes

Quote: "I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them."

Facts: Both McCain and Obama have proposed substantial tax cuts, at the expense of the federal budget deficit. McCain proposes a $4.2 trillion cut over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Obama proposes $2.9 trillion. It's true that Obama would raise taxes on some high-income taxpayers, while McCain would not.


•Health care

Quote: Obama's plan "will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government-run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor."

Facts: Obama's plan doesn't require families to enter a public SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM program, although it would make one available. It also offers subsidies for small businesses.

•Russia

Quote: "They invaded a small, democratic neighbor to gain more control over the world's oil supply, intimidate other neighbors, and further their ambitions of reassembling the Russian empire."

Facts: Russia did invade neighboring Georgia over the treatment of South Ossetia, but there is no proof that it was trying to gain control of Georgia's oil pipelines.

Obama

•Taxes

Quote: "I will cut taxes — cut taxes — for 95% of all working families."

Facts: The Tax Policy Center says that when retirees and children are included 81% of Americans would get a tax cut under Obama's plan.

•Spending

Quote: "Many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime — by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens."

Facts: Brian Riedl of the conservative Heritage Foundation says Obama has proposed nearly $350 billion per year in new spending. The entire corporate tax code raises about $350 billion annually, he says.

•Family income

Quote: "We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was president — when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000, like it has under George Bush."

Facts: Census Bureau figures show that median income has declined by $324 from 2000 to 2007, not $2,000.

Scoops
09-05-2008, 04:49 PM
Nice to see things line by line Skeeter....Mandy did that the other day on another thread and I loved it.

Skeeter
09-05-2008, 05:06 PM
Sorry, I didn't see that Mandy had already done it.....

This one cracks me up:

Spending

Quote: "Many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime — by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens."

Facts: Brian Riedl of the conservative Heritage Foundation says Obama has proposed nearly $350 billion per year in new spending. The entire corporate tax code raises about $350 billion annually, he says.

Pal
09-05-2008, 05:19 PM
Well, I have a few questions regarding this statement:

Facts: Both McCain and Obama have proposed substantial tax cuts, at the expense of the federal budget deficit. McCain proposes a $4.2 trillion cut over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Obama proposes $2.9 trillion. It's true that Obama would raise taxes on some high-income taxpayers, while McCain would not.



What about the increase in payroll tax? What about investment income taxes? What about the death tax? What about business taxes?? Is the "fact check" just including "income tax"?? Because there's a whole lot of other taxes Obama is raising and it doesn't just affect the "high income taxpayers"........






And this:

Facts: Russia did invade neighboring Georgia over the treatment of South Ossetia, but there is no proof that it was trying to gain control of Georgia's oil pipelines.


I'm not sure who "fact checked" this but they must be living in the same cave as Osama........Of course they invaded to control the pipe lines. And even if there was the tiniest remote possibility that they didn't, it's a major issue that must be addressed. Leaving that much temptation in the hands of the Russian government is too scary to even contemplate........Not to mention that Georgia is a democratic ally to the United States and I feel we are morally obligated to provide whatever assistance we can to ensure they remain a free democracy.

Scoops
09-05-2008, 05:23 PM
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Skeeter;1780080:
Sorry, I didn't see that Mandy had already done it.....

This one cracks me up:

Spending

Quote: "Many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime — by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens."

Facts: Brian Riedl of the conservative Heritage Foundation says Obama has proposed nearly $350 billion per year in new spending. The entire corporate tax code raises about $350 billion annually, he says.
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No...she didn't do the same facts you did......just a similar type candidate/issues comparison...I forget where. i like when the facts are laid out for me....so nice. : )

thanks