The arrest of Prof. Gates....... [Archive]

Pal

07-23-2009, 08:13 AM

Seriously.....is a response by the president necessary? Was it wrong for the president to say the Cambridge Police acted stupidly, even though he just admitted that he didn't know the whole story???

I can say honestly, if I had a problem getting into my home and the police were called because someone thought it was a possible break in, I would be appreciative that someone was watching out for my home. When I was asked to show ID, I would get it immediately and stand quietly until I knew they had determined that I was indeed in my own home.

Gates shot his mouth off because he knows he has some power backing him at Cambridge. He wouldn't show ID and then he was verbally assaulting Sgt. Crowley by calling him a racist and trying to incite the crowd that was steadily building outside.

If this was a white man who was calling the police "pigs" and trying to roust up the crowd, they would have been arrested also for disorderly conduct. It happens everyday.

Now the charges have been dropped (of course they have with the president involved and Sharpton the big mouth).........

This is wrong. I don't give a crap who you are, you must respect the law. ALL of this would have been avoided if Gates had shut his mouth, showed a little respect for people who are trying to protect his home and show his frigging ID immediately.

I think it's all a load of shit and it's telling other black people of this country that they don't have to follow the law and they are ALWAYS the victim.

It appears to me that Gates created this mess by being uncooperative, mouthy and refusing to show ID so the police could leave knowing that they had done their job.

Jules

07-23-2009, 08:20 AM

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Seriously.....is a response by the president necessary? Was it wrong for the president to say the Cambridge Police acted stupidly, even though he just admitted that he didn't know the whole story???

I can say honestly, if I had a problem getting into my home and the police were called because someone thought it was a possible break in, I would be appreciative that someone was watching out for my home. When I was asked to show ID, I would get it immediately and stand quietly until I knew they had determined that I was indeed in my own home.

Gates shot his mouth off because he knows he has some power backing him at Cambridge. He wouldn't show ID and then he was verbally assaulting Sgt. Crowley by calling him a racist and trying to incite the crowd that was steadily building outside.

If this was a white man who was calling the police "pigs" and trying to roust up the crowd, they would have been arrested also for disorderly conduct. It happens everyday.

Now the charges have been dropped (of course they have with the president involved and Sharpton the big mouth).........

This is wrong. I don't give a crap who you are, you must respect the law. ALL of this would have been avoided if Gates had shut his mouth, showed a little respect for people who are trying to protect his home and show his frigging ID immediately.

I think it's all a load of shit and it's telling other black people of this country that they don't have to follow the law and they are ALWAYS the victim.

It appears to me that Gates created this mess by being uncooperative, mouthy and refusing to show ID so the police could leave knowing that they had done their job.

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Amen to that, Pal. I totally agree with everything you said.

Monicauf1

07-23-2009, 08:43 AM

I do think the cops were/are racist, if it was a white person it would have been different,

I think this was likely a cop not taking kindly to being not spoken to obsequiously. They go, it's a hightened state because they've got a breaking and entering call, and this guy gives them crap, accuses them of being racist. Not gonna help matters. Everybody knows you're supposed to thank an officer when you get pulled over, for example, and act really sweet, not because it's "right," but because it just makes life easier. "Thank you, so much, officer, for pulling me over and randomly hassling me this evening!"

However, the MOMENT Gates complied and showed them ID, it's time for the cops to end it. I can see the cop getting huffy and responding verbally, but they've got to leave at that point -- at that point, they're actually in someone's house for no reason. In your own home Mr. Gates had every right to be agitated, blacks and hispanics are treated differently by police, a girl at work who is black says that she gets stopped by police on occasion for no apparent reason, one time was because they thought she was in the wrong neighborhood ( it is an exclusive neighborhood and she was going to visit a friend). It is his home, he did not break in, he showed ID. The police at the very least owe him an apology, but I fault Mr. Gates and the neighbor, I find it sad that many people do not know who their neighbors are, and that includes me and my neighbors, I know who lives across the street, but many I don't know, would they recognize me? Probably not and I doubt they would call the police either. But, Mr. Gates showed ID, as soon as he did that the police should have left.

Pal

07-23-2009, 09:05 AM

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I do think the cops were/are racist, if it was a white person it would have been different,

I think this was likely a cop not taking kindly to being not spoken to obsequiously. They go, it's a hightened state because they've got a breaking and entering call, and this guy gives them crap, accuses them of being racist. Not gonna help matters. Everybody knows you're supposed to thank an officer when you get pulled over, for example, and act really sweet, not because it's "right," but because it just makes life easier. "Thank you, so much, officer, for pulling me over and randomly hassling me this evening!"

However, the MOMENT Gates complied and showed them ID, it's time for the cops to end it. I can see the cop getting huffy and responding verbally, but they've got to leave at that point -- at that point, they're actually in someone's house for no reason. In your own home Mr. Gates had every right to be agitated, blacks and hispanics are treated differently by police, a girl at work who is black says that she gets stopped by police on occasion for no apparent reason, one time was because they thought she was in the wrong neighborhood ( it is an exclusive neighborhood and she was going to visit a friend). It is his home, he did not break in, he showed ID. The police at the very least owe him an apology, but I fault Mr. Gates and the neighbor, I find it sad that many people do not know who their neighbors are, and that includes me and my neighbors, I know who lives across the street, but many I don't know, would they recognize me? Probably not and I doubt they would call the police either. But, Mr. Gates showed ID, as soon as he did that the police should have left.

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Mon, you are leaving out the fact that Gates went into attack mode immediately. NONE of this would have happened if Gates had simply showed his ID immediately. None of it.

And yes, if a white person was calling the officer names like "pig" and refusing to cooperate and trying to incite the crowd out front, they would be arrested for disorderly conduct......whether they were in their own home or not. It's not a sanctuary where they don't have to abide by the law.

If I am pulled over by a cop, you bet your little behind that I cooperate and treat the officer with respect. If they ask for ID, I give it. They are doing a job and I am not going to purposely make their life harder, especially when I understand that they don't know who the hell I am or whether or not I've got a gun under my front seat.

Gates is demanding an apology for a situation that HE created. A little cooperation and respect goes a long way.

NOW.......let me say this..............if Gates had immediately shown his ID, kept his voice down, refrained from name calling and attacking, refrained from addressing the crowd out front and the cops STILL arrested him, we'd have a story and a legitimate complaint. This shits on every single person who really has been a victim of a racist cop. Gates was treated like any other out of control, big mouthed, I'm too good to be arrested asshole.

Don't kick the dog and then cry when he bites..........

beekeeper

07-23-2009, 09:17 AM

I agree Pal. It was all un-necessary. First, Mr. Gates should be thanking his neighbors for being aggressive in the neighborhood. Second ... he should have cooperated with the Cop immediately! Yes, there are racist cops out there but you can't go into every situation expecting that to be the case.

What if the cop had been black? I wonder if Mr. Gates would have been so un-cooperative then?

Pal

07-23-2009, 09:22 AM

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What if the cop had been black? I wonder if Mr. Gates would have been so un-cooperative then?

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Great great point Bee.

Monicauf1

07-23-2009, 09:37 AM

One of the cops is black, not sure how many there were black, but the arresting officer is white. I just think both sides are wrong, as soon as Mr. Gates showed ID the police should have left, there was no reason to be there once they realized he is the homeowner, yes, he should have shown his ID sooner, and not have gotten upset which is why I blame both sides. But, I do think the police would have been more understanding if he was white- even by many of us voting for a black President I think there will always be racism.

Pal

07-23-2009, 09:41 AM

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One of the cops is black, not sure how many there were black, but the arresting officer is white. I just think both sides are wrong, as soon as Mr. Gates showed ID the police should have left, there was no reason to be there once they realized he is the homeowner, yes, he should have shown his ID sooner, and not have gotten upset which is why I blame both sides. But, I do think the police would have been more understanding if he was white- even by many of us voting for a black President I think there will always be racism.

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He was belligerent and uncooperative and certainly didn't deserve special treatment.

I don't see this as a race issue AT ALL. Gates made it a race issue.

It makes me wonder how often this is the case.......

monicauf1

07-23-2009, 09:46 AM

Pal- how is he deserving special treatment? He showed them his ID, he got mad but never used violence, never threatened anyone- as soon as he showed them his ID why didn't they leave? So, I cannot get mad at the police in my own home? I think men being men both acted stubborn and neither wanted to back down, to me there was no reason for him to be arrested, espcially when the police realized that he was not breaking and entering, that he lived there- we are gonna have to agree to disagree if that is ok :)

Pal

07-23-2009, 10:04 AM

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Pal- how is he deserving special treatment? He showed them his ID, he got mad but never used violence, never threatened anyone- as soon as he showed them his ID why didn't they leave? So, I cannot get mad at the police in my own home? I think men being men both acted stubborn and neither wanted to back down, to me there was no reason for him to be arrested, espcially when the police realized that he was not breaking and entering, that he lived there- we are gonna have to agree to disagree if that is ok :)

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No Mon, after being asked for his ID he went into a rant about racism. He actually said, "no" when asked for it. I'm not sure why you want to believe that he innocently handed over his ID and the police still arrested him.........

This is what I am basing my opinion on:

A police report of the incident written by Officer Carlos Figueroa, who responded to the call with Crowley, says Crowley was already in the house when he walked in. The report says Crowley had asked Gates for some identification and Gates shouted that he would not give any information and called the sergeant a racist.

According to the report, Gates then yelled, "This is what happens to black men in America." When Crowley tried to calm him down, Gates shouted, "You don't know who you're messing with."

The statement "You don't know who you're messing with" speaks volumes to me. He was indignant that he had to show ID, he knew there would be trouble because of who he was, and he knew if he made a stink that it could be TURNED into a race issue.

Gates has successfully made himself a victim of racism because of his own actions.

And yes, we can agree to disagree :)

Monicauf1

07-23-2009, 10:14 AM

He was arrested after he showed them his ID, I never said he was innocent, but he never used violence, he never threatened anyone any harm- after they saw his license and knew he was the homeowner why not leave? A person has a right to get upset if they want in their own home, I am not saying his actions are right, but I also don't think the police were right either- I am placing blame on all sides. Personally, if I was Mr. Gates I would be making a welcome basket for his neighbor and introduce himself, it is great that she is watching out, but I find it strange that she has never seen him before, hopefully next time he tries to go in that she will not call the police again since she should recognize him. I do think if the man was white the police never would have been called, and this never would be an issue. Maybe, you are right that if Mr. Gates had sucked up and been really nice that the police would have treated him differently but we don't know that, and police have had extensive training for all situations, to me there was no reason to arrest this guy- go after the real criminals, the rapists, drug dealers, killers....not a Harvard educated, extremely intelligent man whose door was stuck and could not get in. I want my taxpayer money to go after the scumbags, not this guy who was simply spouting off....I do appreciate the police going out there, they did their job in the beginning, I just think the middle and end got all muddled.

Mackey

07-23-2009, 10:15 AM

Well, can you believe I agree 100% with Pal, on a political situation. Sorry Mon, but in this case, gates is WRONG WRONG!

He acted and acts like an entitled Monarch, and his verbal abuse of the policeman was untoward....And his running to the media, like any celebrity whore seeking fame, made me ill... he really expected that the ofiicer would get down on his knees apologize and just maybe "if Gates felt it was sincere, he would forgive him." Blech!!

I hope and believe that officer Crowley does NOT apologize..he states he won't , and more witnesses come forth to show that all the racist and trash talk were from the ole Professor.

I think Obama was a jerk, to call the actions of the Cambridge Police stupid.. When will he learn, that other Blacks who have achieved a modicum of success are NOT his friends..they are jealous of his rise to such power, when they have not. If Gates were HIS friend, he would not have invloved him in a local problem, thus causing many of us Obama supporters to take umbrage with him big time!

Pal

07-23-2009, 10:26 AM

Mackey, I just fell on the floor, passed out for a second, gave myself the heimlich and I'm still a little woozy............I can't believe we agree!!!!!!!! This is one for the record books, for sure :) :)

I completely and wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the whole situation.

Bravo on your post. :)

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to lie down for a bit and try to get my strength back~~

Monicauf1

07-23-2009, 10:33 AM

Mackey- no need to apologize- well except for scaring me, is there a full moon tonight?

I hope you guys understand where I am coming from, I am not saying that Gates was right, I do think he was wrong, but I also think the police were wrong, I am blaming all of them for this situation getting out of control- there was no reason for anyone to let it get this far

Jinh

07-23-2009, 10:36 AM

Jinh

07-23-2009, 10:41 AM

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Well, can you believe I agree 100% with Pal, on a political situation. Sorry Mon, but in this case, gates is WRONG WRONG!

He acted and acts like an entitled Monarch, and his verbal abuse of the policeman was untoward....And his running to the media, like any celebrity whore seeking fame, made me ill... he really expected that the ofiicer would get down on his knees apologize and just maybe "if Gates felt it was sincere, he would forgive him." Blech!!

I hope and believe that officer Crowley does NOT apologize..he states he won't , and more witnesses come forth to show that all the racist and trash talk were from the ole Professor.

I think Obama was a jerk, to call the actions of the Cambridge Police stupid.. When will he learn, that other Blacks who have achieved a modicum of success are NOT his friends..they are jealous of his rise to such power, when they have not. If Gates were HIS friend, he would not have invloved him in a local problem, thus causing many of us Obama supporters to take umbrage with him big time!

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I'm just shaking my head at this post...think I'll go back to farming : (

Mackey

07-23-2009, 10:43 AM

Mon and Pal, you guys are so funny! Not a full moon here, but a rare summer Noreastah..ocean is furious..so I am about to take Salty, and go down and enjoy the ocean as it is also pissed at Gates and Obama!!!

I am from Cambridge..was raised 1/2 mile from Harvard Square..got my degree from Mt. Auburn hospital in Cambridge, so know area well. FYI... the skinny around here, is 85% are with officer Crowley..the other 15% are being flogged as we speak!

K, Dawg is at my feet, after going to closet to get my slicker, to brave the elements, so off I go. SOOOOOOO great to 'speak' to you both..two of my favorite posters.

monicauf1

07-23-2009, 10:50 AM

Jinh- great seeing you, please don't leave....and thank you :)

Mackey- have fun! I miss the beach, love the salt air, so relaxing and invigorating.

beekeeper

07-23-2009, 10:51 AM

The cops were there ... doing their job. Had Mr. Gates not shot his mouth off at the cops, claiming racism, I believe the cops probably would have left once the ID was shown. That was not the case.

I don't think being friendly and obliging to a Police officers requests as "kissing up". I see it as doing the right thing. IMO the police deserve respect, first and foremost ... since they never know what can come of any situation. Sure there are bad cops ... but Mr. Gates didn't allow himself the opportunity to find out what kind of cops these men were.

Of course, I can agree to disagree as well ... :-)

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07-23-2009, 11:41 AM

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The cops were there ... doing their job. Had Mr. Gates not shot his mouth off at the cops, claiming racism, I believe the cops probably would have left once the ID was shown. That was not the case.

I don't think being friendly and obliging to a Police officers requests as "kissing up". I see it as doing the right thing. IMO the police deserve respect, first and foremost ... since they never know what can come of any situation. Sure there are bad cops ... but Mr. Gates didn't allow himself the opportunity to find out what kind of cops these men were.

Of course, I can agree to disagree as well ... :-)

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Mandy

07-23-2009, 11:43 AM

From what I can gather from the following article, this is purely a case of overreaction by Gates. To me, he seems to be presenting the attitude that he is "special" and thus should not have been required to identify himself, as any of us would be had we been faced with the same situation. He is totally in the wrong in my opinion...........the police officer was just doing his job, trying to protect private property from a reported break-in. As far as Obama's response, it really annoyed me that he felt it necessary to label the police "stupid" when he didn't have all the facts. While to some it may make him appear to be standing up for victims of racial profiling, in this case I think it just makes him appear to have made an error in judgement in issuing a public statement made from ignorance. Very disappointing to me.
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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on racial profiling.

Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class on racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.

Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.

Crowley, 42, has maintained he did nothing wrong and has refused to apologize, as Gates has demanded.

Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.

Gates was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dropped Tuesday.

yippie9

07-23-2009, 11:46 AM

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Well, can you believe I agree 100% with Pal, on a political situation. Sorry Mon, but in this case, gates is WRONG WRONG!

He acted and acts like an entitled Monarch, and his verbal abuse of the policeman was untoward....And his running to the media, like any celebrity whore seeking fame, made me ill... he really expected that the ofiicer would get down on his knees apologize and just maybe "if Gates felt it was sincere, he would forgive him." Blech!!

I hope and believe that officer Crowley does NOT apologize..he states he won't , and more witnesses come forth to show that all the racist and trash talk were from the ole Professor.

I think Obama was a jerk, to call the actions of the Cambridge Police stupid.. When will he learn, that other Blacks who have achieved a modicum of success are NOT his friends..they are jealous of his rise to such power, when they have not. If Gates were HIS friend, he would not have invloved him in a local problem, thus causing many of us Obama supporters to take umbrage with him big time!

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I'm just shaking my head at this post...think I'll go back to farming : (

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Mackey is right. Crowley played the oppressed every body pickin' on the black man card. If Crowley had acted in a rational and mature manner this situation would not have happened.

Jinh

07-23-2009, 12:53 PM

I'm trying to remain calm here....

What you all seem to be forgetting is 200 years of black suppression, nay, atrocities against blacks in this country that continues to this day. You are bitching about an "uppity black man", who may have had a knee jerk reaction to this situation. Considering the history of racial profiling in this country, you can't blame him.

monicauf1

07-23-2009, 12:57 PM

Pal

07-23-2009, 01:02 PM

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I'm trying to remain calm here....

What you all seem to be forgetting is 200 years of black suppression, nay, atrocities against blacks in this country that continues to this day. You are bitching about an "uppity black man", who may have had a knee jerk reaction to this situation. Considering the history of racial profiling in this country, you can't blame him.

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???? The cops were leaving without arresting anyone when he followed them outside yelling and spewing accusations. He was warned THREE times at least to calm down. He was very threatening, accusatory and looking for trouble. It wasn't until they were outside TRYING to leave that they finally ended up arresting him for disorderly conduct.

He is not above the law Jinh. He was not a victim. The cops were just trying to make sure he was the person who owned the home.

There was nothing to JUMP THE GUN over!! He felt he was too good and he let them know that they "didn't know who they were messing with" because he knew he had connections and in this time of oversensitivity, people would jump.

He should be nothing less than ASHAMED of himself and he should apologize to a good man who was doing nothing more than his job.

I really do not get where you are coming from at all Jinh....... There was no wrong doing here by the police.

Monicauf

07-23-2009, 01:04 PM

I just don't understand how after someone shows proof that he lives there that he gets arrested, he is in his own home, he is not a robber, sure he was rude, but to be arrested for being rude in your own home just seems crazy to me. I am glad that the police there have nothing else to worry about, no real criminals to catch....

Monicauf

07-23-2009, 01:06 PM

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???? The cops were leaving without arresting anyone when he followed them outside yelling and spewing accusations. He was warned THREE times at least to calm down. He was very threatening, accusatory and looking for trouble. It wasn't until they were outside TRYING to leave that they finally ended up arresting him for disorderly conduct.

He is not above the law Jinh. He was not a victim. The cops were just trying to make sure he was the person who owned the home.

There was nothing to JUMP THE GUN over!! He felt he was too good and he let them know that they "didn't know who they were messing with" because he knew he had connections and in this time of oversensitivity, people would jump.

He should be nothing less than ASHAMED of himself and he should apologize to a good man who was doing nothing more than his job.

I really do not get where you are coming from at all Jinh....... There was no wrong doing here by the police.

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Once they made sure and he did provide proof why not leave, ignore his rantings, the police have dealt with far worse than someone spouting off. There was no reason for the police to be there once proof was provided.

Jinh

07-23-2009, 01:06 PM

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Jinh- great seeing you, please don't leave....and thank you :)

Mackey- have fun! I miss the beach, love the salt air, so relaxing and invigorating.

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Thanks, Monica...you are the best : )

I just get tired of people thinking that hundreds of years of atrocities can be erased in a nanosecond. I see in my mind black people hanging from trees. "Strange Fruit" as Billie Holliday sang.....

People say, let's move on. Well the profiling is still going on. The disadvantage is still there. It's still not right.

Jules

07-23-2009, 01:09 PM

Things are starting to get heated at TVTalk....

Pal

07-23-2009, 01:09 PM

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I agree with you, what I find sad is that just now on CNN a black man says that the black community has to teach their children to be extremely nice to cops- I think we all have to respect the badge, but not the person- black people have a history that the rest of us do not, and I think if it was a white professor we would not even be having this discussion.

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You're absolutely right because the white community wouldn't be going insane over a professor who doesn't know how to conduct himself and thinks he's above the law.

How in hell was the officer supposed to figure out who he was without an ID? The officer said he tried to allow him to vent and he never yelled or screamed at Gates. He let him have his say and then asked for the ID again.

Our officers of the law should not be abused because some jerk has a chip on their shoulder.

And the fact that this country is so brain washed that in a situation like this they feel an abusive, loud mouthed, belligerent jerk should be forgiven because the "white" cop has GOT to be a racist, is just mind blowing.

If this is the abuse that the police have to take every time they pull over a black man or check out a call, I feel so sorry for them.

That cop is not a racist, nor was there any wrong doing.

Not every black person is a victim, just because they're black.......

Monicauf

07-23-2009, 01:11 PM

Jimh- I think racism will always be there, I doubt it will ever go away- there are some children that are taught to hate, the KKK still exists- but prejudice of any kind will always exist in some way or another, someone may not like you because of your weight, where you live, your race, in one way or another it is here, we are human and it will always exist.

Jinh

07-23-2009, 01:11 PM

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I'm trying to remain calm here....

What you all seem to be forgetting is 200 years of black suppression, nay, atrocities against blacks in this country that continues to this day. You are bitching about an "uppity black man", who may have had a knee jerk reaction to this situation. Considering the history of racial profiling in this country, you can't blame him.

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???? The cops were leaving without arresting anyone when he followed them outside yelling and spewing accusations. He was warned THREE times at least to calm down. He was very threatening, accusatory and looking for trouble. It wasn't until they were outside TRYING to leave that they finally ended up arresting him for disorderly conduct.

He is not above the law Jinh. He was not a victim. The cops were just trying to make sure he was the person who owned the home.

There was nothing to JUMP THE GUN over!! He felt he was too good and he let them know that they "didn't know who they were messing with" because he knew he had connections and in this time of oversensitivity, people would jump.

He should be nothing less than ASHAMED of himself and he should apologize to a good man who was doing nothing more than his job.

I really do not get where you are coming from at all Jinh....... There was no wrong doing here by the police.

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Why did the cop ask him to go outside, Pal????????

I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that if it were my husband, and he showed his ID, the cop would have said "thank you Mr. _____", and left.

Pal

07-23-2009, 01:13 PM

Pal

07-23-2009, 01:15 PM

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Thanks, Monica...you are the best : )

I just get tired of people thinking that hundreds of years of atrocities can be erased in a nanosecond. I see in my mind black people hanging from trees. "Strange Fruit" as Billie Holliday sang.....

People say, let's move on. Well the profiling is still going on. The disadvantage is still there. It's still not right.

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Jinh, in a legitimate case of racial profiling and a racist cop, I'd be behind you the whole way.

Gates created this whole thing, not the cops.

Monicauf

07-23-2009, 01:15 PM

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You're absolutely right because the white community wouldn't be going insane over a professor who doesn't know how to conduct himself and thinks he's above the law.

How in hell was the officer supposed to figure out who he was without an ID? The officer said he tried to allow him to vent and he never yelled or screamed at Gates. He let him have his say and then asked for the ID again.

Our officers of the law should not be abused because some jerk has a chip on their shoulder.

And the fact that this country is so brain washed that in a situation like this they feel an abusive, loud mouthed, belligerent jerk should be forgiven because the "white" cop has GOT to be a racist, is just mind blowing.

If this is the abuse that the police have to take every time they pull over a black man or check out a call, I feel so sorry for them.

That cop is not a racist, nor was there any wrong doing.

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A white professor would not even have been arrested, so because he was a jerk he got arrested? He showed his ID, after that the police could have left, if the police cannot handle and ignore a loud mouth yelling in his own home well then they need a new job. We don't know the cop personally, maybe you are right that he is not racist, but maybe he is, we don't know that for sure- I have no idea if he is or not, but I do think once he knew that man was the homeowner that the police should have left. I never said nor do I believe that every black person is a victim, but this man who owned the home, lives there, showed ID should not have been arrested.

MacBug

07-23-2009, 01:16 PM

Mandy

07-23-2009, 01:16 PM

Why blame a police officer who was simply doing his job for 200 years of black oppression?

Does this mean that if you are black you get a free pass for disorderly conduct just to even up the score a little? What nonsense.

It was totally within Gates' power to have avoided all the unpleasantness. He obviously had a chip on his shoulder and chose not to take the law-abiding way to resolve the whole thing.

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I just don't understand how after someone shows proof that he lives there that he gets arrested, he is in his own home, he is not a robber, sure he was rude, but to be arrested for being rude in your own home just seems crazy to me. I am glad that the police there have nothing else to worry about, no real criminals to catch....

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He wasn't in his own home.........he was chasing them down the sidewalk yelling and calling people racists. They were leaving and he couldn't say, "thanks for protecting my home".....

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We must be watching two different news coverages. I just read the statement of the officer (Gates); he said he did ask him to go out onto his porch.

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07-23-2009, 01:19 PM

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Why did the cop ask him to go outside, Pal????????

I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that if it were my husband, and he showed his ID, the cop would have said "thank you Mr. _____", and left.

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He didn't ask him to go outside, he told Gates that he was going outside because Gates was screaming so loud in the kitchen that the cop couldn't report in to the station that he finally got ID.

And no, if your husband was a raving maniac and screaming at the cops all the way outside and down the walk, they would do something.......

I am really confused as to why some people WANT this to be something horrible by a white officer.......

Jinh

07-23-2009, 01:20 PM

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I do think the cops were/are racist, if it was a white person it would have been different,

I think this was likely a cop not taking kindly to being not spoken to obsequiously. They go, it's a hightened state because they've got a breaking and entering call, and this guy gives them crap, accuses them of being racist. Not gonna help matters. Everybody knows you're supposed to thank an officer when you get pulled over, for example, and act really sweet, not because it's "right," but because it just makes life easier. "Thank you, so much, officer, for pulling me over and randomly hassling me this evening!"

However, the MOMENT Gates complied and showed them ID, it's time for the cops to end it. I can see the cop getting huffy and responding verbally, but they've got to leave at that point -- at that point, they're actually in someone's house for no reason. In your own home Mr. Gates had every right to be agitated, blacks and hispanics are treated differently by police, a girl at work who is black says that she gets stopped by police on occasion for no apparent reason, one time was because they thought she was in the wrong neighborhood ( it is an exclusive neighborhood and she was going to visit a friend). It is his home, he did not break in, he showed ID. The police at the very least owe him an apology, but I fault Mr. Gates and the neighbor, I find it sad that many people do not know who their neighbors are, and that includes me and my neighbors, I know who lives across the street, but many I don't know, would they recognize me? Probably not and I doubt they would call the police either. But, Mr. Gates showed ID, as soon as he did that the police should have left.

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If this had happened to most whites, blacks, HIspanics, etc, I know, they would've immediately shown their ID and explained what they were doing and why. Then of course it would've ended quickly.

The one who really acted "stupidly" IMO, was our President. This was not something he needed to address on national TV, he has more important things to talk about.

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He was specifically asked the question during the press conference, Mac. He didn't bring it up.

Monicauf

07-23-2009, 01:20 PM

He was not chasing them down the sidewalk, he was arrested on his front porch

I wonder if I'd be pissed off if I got arrested on my own porch outside of my own home after I showed the cops two photo IDs? I wonder if I'd be 'loud and tumultuous'?

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Black scholar's arrest raises profiling questions

BOSTON â€“ Supporters of a prominent Harvard University black scholar who was arrested at his own home by police responding to a report of a break-in say he is the victim of racial profiling.

Henry Louis Gates Jr. had forced his way through the front door of his home because it was jammed, his lawyer said Monday.

Cambridge police say they responded to the well-maintained two-story home near campus after a woman reported seeing "two black males with backpacks on the porch," with one "wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry."

By the time police arrived, Gates was already inside. Police say he refused to come outside to speak with an officer, who told him he was investigating a report of a break-in.

"Why, because I'm a black man in America?" Gates said, according to a police report written by Sgt. James Crowley. The Cambridge police refused to comment on the arrest Monday.

Gates â€” the director of Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research â€” initially refused to show the officer his identification, but then gave him a Harvard University ID card, according to police.

"Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him," the officer wrote.

Gates said he turned over his driver's license and Harvard ID â€” both with his photos â€” and repeatedly asked for the name and badge number of the officer, who refused. He said he then followed the officer as he left his house onto his front porch, where he was handcuffed in front of other officers, Gates said in a statement released by his attorney, fellow Harvard scholar Charles Ogletree, on a Web site Gates oversees, TheRoot.com

He was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge after police said he "exhibited loud and tumultuous behavior." He was released later that day on his own recognizance. An arraignment was scheduled for Aug. 26.

Gates, 58, also refused to speak publicly Monday, referring calls to Ogletree.

"He was shocked to find himself being questioned and shocked that the conversation continued after he showed his identification," Ogletree said.

Ogletree declined to say whether he believed the incident was racially motivated, saying "I think the incident speaks for itself."

Some of Gates' African-American colleagues say the arrest is part of a pattern of racial profiling in Cambridge.

Allen Counter, who has taught neuroscience at Harvard for 25 years, said he was stopped on campus by two Harvard police officers in 2004 after being mistaken for a robbery suspect. They threatened to arrest him when he could not produce identification.

"We do not believe that this arrest would have happened if professor Gates was white," Counter said. "It really has been very unsettling for African-Americans throughout Harvard and throughout Cambridge that this happened."

The Rev. Al Sharpton said he will attend Gates' arraignment.

"This arrest is indicative of at best police abuse of power or at worst the highest example of racial profiling I have seen," Sharpton said. "I have heard of driving while black and even shopping while black but now even going to your own home while black is a new low in police community affairs."

Ogletree said Gates had returned from a trip to China on Thursday with a driver, when he found his front door jammed. He went through the back door into the home â€” which he leases from Harvard â€” shut off an alarm and worked with the driver to get the door open. The driver left, and Gates was on the phone with the property's management company when police first arrived.

Ogletree also disputed the claim that Gates, who was wearing slacks and a polo shirt and carrying a cane, was yelling at the officer.

"He has an infection that has impacted his breathing since he came back from China, so he's been in a very delicate physical state," Ogletree said.

Lawrence D. Bobo, the W.E.B Du Bois Professor of the Social Sciences at Harvard, said he met with Gates at the police station and described his colleague as feeling humiliated and "emotionally devastated."

"It's just deeply disappointing but also a pointed reminder that there are serious problems that we have to wrestle with," he said.

Bobo said he hoped Cambridge police would drop the charges and called on the department to use the incident to review training and screening procedures it has in place.

The Middlesex district attorney's office said it could not do so until after Gates' arraignment. The woman who reported the apparent break-in did not return a message Monday.

Gates joined the Harvard faculty in 1991 and holds one of 20 prestigious "university professors" positions at the school. He also was host of "African American Lives," a PBS show about the family histories of prominent U.S. blacks, and was named by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential Americans in 1997.

"I was obviously very concerned when I learned on Thursday about the incident," Harvard president Drew Gilpin Faust said in a statement. "He and I spoke directly and I have asked him to keep me apprised."

Jinh

07-23-2009, 01:22 PM

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Why did the cop ask him to go outside, Pal????????

I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that if it were my husband, and he showed his ID, the cop would have said "thank you Mr. _____", and left.

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He didn't ask him to go outside, he told Gates that he was going outside because Gates was screaming so loud in the kitchen that the cop couldn't report in to the station that he finally got ID.

And no, if your husband was a raving maniac and screaming at the cops all the way outside and down the walk, they would do something.......

I am really confused as to why some people WANT this to be something horrible by a white officer.......

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Holy shit! What are you watching? Now you're making him into a "raving maniac"?

That is NOT what CNN just reported, Pal. I just saw the police report filed by Gates.

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07-23-2009, 01:23 PM

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We must be watching two different news coverages. I just read the statement of the officer (Gates); he said he did ask him to go out onto his porch.

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And I read the report from top to bottom. Gates asked the officer for his badge number and supervisor's name and Crowley gave it to him three times. He kept ranting and yelling over the top of him and it was echoing in the house. So the officer said he was going outside....

Jinh

07-23-2009, 01:26 PM

Thank you Monica.. .

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07-23-2009, 01:39 PM

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Holy shit! What are you watching? Now you're making him into a "raving maniac"?

That is NOT what CNN just reported, Pal. I just saw the police report filed by Gates.

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Jinh, he was screaming so loud in the kitchen that that is why the officer had to go outside...... To me that a raving maniac. Please do not try to discredit what is being said by somehow implying that I'm making this up. It's all out there for people to read and make their own judgment.

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07-23-2009, 01:50 PM

Officer says he'll 'never apologize' for Harvard professor arrest

(CNN) -- A Cambridge, Massachusetts, police officer said Thursday he will "never apologize" about how he handled the arrest of prominent black Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.

"That apology will never come from me as Jim Crowley, it won't come from me as sergeant in the Cambridge Police Department," Sgt. James Crowley told Boston radio station WEEI. "Whatever anybody else chooses to do in the name of the city of Cambridge or the Cambridge Police Department which are beyond my control, I don't worry about that. I know what I did was right. I have nothing to apologize for."

Crowley also said he was exercising caution and is clearly not a racist based on his previous actions.

Those actions, Crowley told the Boston Herald, include giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to former Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis, who suffered a fatal heart attack in 1993 at Brandeis University when Crowley was a campus cop.

"I wasn't working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn't working on a black man," Crowley told the Boston Herald. "I was working on another human being."

Gates was arrested last week at his home after a confrontation with Crowley, who was responding to a report of a break-in at Gates' home. Cambridge authorities on Tuesday dropped disorderly conduct charges against Gates.

According to his lawyer, Gates told Crowley he lived there and showed him his Massachusetts driver's license and Harvard University identification card. The officer followed him into his house and said he had received a report of a possible break-in, the lawyer said. Gates grew frustrated that the officer was continuing to question him in his home and asked for the officer's name and badge number, Ogletree said.

The police report offers a different account of the incident.

Crowley also told WEEI that when he asked Gates to come out of his home, he thought a break-in had occurred or was still happening.

"I didn't know who [Gates] was. I was by myself. I was the only police officer standing there, and I got a report of people breaking into a house," Crowley told WEEI. "That was for my safety first and foremost. I have to go home at night, I have three beautiful children and a wife who depend on me. So I had no other motive than to ensure my safety."

Crowley taught a racial profiling course at the Lowell Police Academy, Deborah Friedl, deputy superintendent of the police department, told CNN.

Last year was his fifth year as a co-instructor of the course, Friedl said.

"He seems to be a highly regarded instructor at the academy. He consistently received high praise from students," she said.

Responding to a reporter's question on Gates' arrest, President Obama said Wednesday night that the Cambridge police "acted stupidly."

Obama defended Gates while admitting that he may be "a little biased" because the professor is his friend.

"But I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 ... that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

The incident shows "how race remains a factor in this society," Obama said.

Crowley told WEEI that he was "disappointed" that Obama interjected himself into the situation.

"He's the president of the United States, and I support the president to a point," Crowley told WEEI. "I think it's disappointing that he waded into what should be a local issue and something that is -- really that plays out here. As he himself had said at the beginning of that press conference, he didn't know all the facts. He certainly doesn't based on those comments. I just think it was very disappointing."

Mackey

07-23-2009, 02:35 PM

Well, guys, Guess we livened up this 'ole place'.. Still on the same page as you Pal...may be the first time, but it is a good thing.

K, all if you wish, go to Boston Globe.com read articles and then blogs you will find entire police report which has been scrubbed by the Boston Globe..but you will be able to read it there..should answer most of your questions...Funny line by the prof. he told officer Crowley, "Ya, I will talk to your Mama" anyway hope you get to see report. Oh, charges were dropped per request of Gates attorney..so Sharpton can sleep in, as there will be no arraignment to attend!

Pal

07-23-2009, 02:49 PM

lol Mackey, it was moving for a while, wasn't it??

I do so miss our political discussions. I looked forward to coming to the board.

They were fun :)

Mackey

07-23-2009, 02:59 PM

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Do you know who informed press about this story? I just heard that incident happened last Thursday. Know it wasn't officer Crowley.

I too, miss the political discussions...but I have not been that passionate about politics for a while...always good to take a break, and look with clear eyes.

I am upset that this crap about an ole drama fool, caused the muddying of message and ifo about revamping our medical system,for that I have a profound interest .

So gonna take a bubble bath, and 'see' you later. have a nice evening.

Pal

07-23-2009, 03:08 PM

Have a great bath. I enjoyed having you around today :)

KaliChris

07-23-2009, 03:34 PM

Although there is and has been racial profiling, I also think that many black people in this country are automatically on the defense and suspect racism when there is none.

I agree with Pal on this one.

And, with all due respect, I've had my son and other males of different ages and racial backgrounds tell me of been treated the same way by the police when they hadn't done anything wrong. It's just the day that we live in, I'm afraid.

beachreader

07-23-2009, 04:05 PM

Had the officer not asked for ID and some stranger had walked in and he left the officer would have been fired.

Does everyone agree that It was proper procedure to ask for ID in this circumstance?

Was the professor right or wrong, in this situation, to refuse (at first)?

I think that what Monica and Jihn are saying is that after he showed the id that should have been the end of it.

If I come home to officers in my home and run up onto my porch frantic I would be asking what was wrong. If the officer says that they got a call for a suspected robbery and ask to see my ID I would run off my porch so fast....might even hop in the cop car....and I would show my ID. As they were leaving after checking my home to make sure no one was inside I would thank them profusely.

I can not even imagine acting, or anyone acting, the way that the professor did.
Maybe he needs to learn the meaning of the word grateful.

I can not believe that our President not only addressed this question but called police officers stupid. That is so sad. =(

And no I wouldn't be angry if police officers responded to a call at my home and asked for my ID or my husbands. I would be grateful to the officer for risking his life to keep my home and most importantly my family safe.

Should he have been arrested. I do not know exactly what was going on. It must have been pretty bad for him to actually have been arrested don't you think?
If he was quietly sitting in a safe place waiting for the officers to give his home the all clear that it was safe then of course he should not have been arrested.

I have seen an officer tell my neighbor that if he swore 1 more time he would take him in.
My neighbor is a 70+ year old white man.

Monicauf

07-23-2009, 04:23 PM

Hiya Beach- of course I think it was proper procedure to ask for ID, and you are right, that is exactly what I am saying- after he showed two ID's that should have been the end of it. If it was me I would have wanted and expected the police to look around my home to make sure it was safe. The professor is extremely intelligent, has many degrees, I am guessing that he lacks common sense, that he lacks street smarts. We have seen many cases involving racial profiling, we know it exists so I think it is easy or easier for a black or hispanic person to automatically get defensive when stopped by police. We were not there, we do not know the tone that the officer used, the professor just came back from China, jet lagged- not an excuse for either one, I just think that everyone has some blame in this mess. Once the ID's were shown then the police could have and should have left, let the man spout off if he wants, the police have more important things to worry about than a man spouting off on his porch. I appreciate the President being honest, but I think he should have been more neutral especially since he stated that he does not know all the details, I did appreciate his honesty.

beachreader

07-23-2009, 04:35 PM

My neighbor was spouting off on his porch as well. He had had a few drinks, like you said, not making excuses, but the officer told him 1 more swear word and that was it.

I do have to wonder if I came home to an officer on my porch if the officer would ask for an ID to be honest.

I would hope that if my husband rolled up to that situation that the officers would ask him for his ID.

I would also hope that I would be asked.

I honestly can't answer if I would be asked but am almost positive that my husband would be.

I don't think that asking for ID was racially inspired. I think that the officer was following procedure in this case.

itzg...

07-23-2009, 04:57 PM

~what I find sad is that just now on CNN a black man says that the black community has to teach their children to be extremely nice to cops-~

Well that's nice, why should the "black community" be any different from the white community? Or any "other" community?

I know I have taught my children to be respectful to cops, always. Why wouldn't any other parent do the same? I don't care what color you are, you respect policemen, firemen, etc.

This whole thing just boggles my mind but then again, I don't know why I'm so surprised.

biff725

07-24-2009, 07:50 AM

It was illegal and a set up.

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It was illegal and a set up.

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What was illegal and what was a set up? The one sentence posts have got to go Mr. Biff :)

biff725

07-24-2009, 08:05 AM

Racial profiling........

beachreader

07-24-2009, 09:07 AM

What was illegal? I don't get it?

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07-24-2009, 09:44 AM

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What was illegal and what was a set up? The one sentence posts have got to go Mr. Biff :)

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Mackey

07-24-2009, 09:50 AM

Second attempt to post losing signal beacuse of weather.. saw press conference from Cambridge Police unions...all support officer Crowley 100% YEAH!
They took great offense from Obama's remarks about the 'stupidity' of the Cambridge Police. Also the remarks from our Black Governor who both intimated that arrest was racially motivated. Bull! Cambridge is the most liberal city in the country...(where did you think I got to be a bleeding heart liberal lol I voted for both men, as did most of Cambridge we are racist??? I KNOW we are NOT!

They are looking for an apology from Obama and Patrick..they said that they made their comments without having any facts and based it on their friendship with Gates. Also said that Gates had the control, and any racial slurs uttered were by him.

I still support Obama, but he must learn that these black men he encountered in his journey to the Presidency are NOT his friends..but as I said before, ambitious men, who are jealous that Obama made it and they didn't, never would, so they say and do things that embarrass and hurt him. losing signal

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07-24-2009, 11:45 AM

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Second attempt to post losing signal beacuse of weather.. saw press conference from Cambridge Police unions...all support officer Crowley 100% YEAH!
They took great offense from Obama's remarks about the 'stupidity' of the Cambridge Police. Also the remarks from our Black Governor who both intimated that arrest was racially motivated. Bull! Cambridge is the most liberal city in the country...(where did you think I got to be a bleeding heart liberal lol I voted for both men, as did most of Cambridge we are racist??? I KNOW we are NOT!

They are looking for an apology from Obama and Patrick..they said that they made their comments without having any facts and based it on their friendship with Gates. Also said that Gates had the control, and any racial slurs uttered were by him.

I still support Obama, but he must learn that these black men he encountered in his journey to the Presidency are NOT his friends..but as I said before, ambitious men, who are jealous that Obama made it and they didn't, never would, so they say and do things that embarrass and hurt him. losing signal

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Good points Mackey. Not everyone has his best interest at heart, that's for sure. And if you are any example of the people coming outa Cambridge, they're good people in my book :)

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07-24-2009, 02:40 PM

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One of the cops is black, not sure how many there were black, but the arresting officer is white. I just think both sides are wrong, as soon as Mr. Gates showed ID the police should have left, there was no reason to be there once they realized he is the homeowner, yes, he should have shown his ID sooner, and not have gotten upset which is why I blame both sides. But, I do think the police would have been more understanding if he was white- even by many of us voting for a black President I think there will always be racism.

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He was belligerent and uncooperative and certainly didn't deserve special treatment.

I don't see this as a race issue AT ALL. Gates made it a race issue.

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07-24-2009, 02:46 PM

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I do think the cops were/are racist, if it was a white person it would have been different,

I think this was likely a cop not taking kindly to being not spoken to obsequiously. They go, it's a hightened state because they've got a breaking and entering call, and this guy gives them crap, accuses them of being racist. Not gonna help matters. Everybody knows you're supposed to thank an officer when you get pulled over, for example, and act really sweet, not because it's "right," but because it just makes life easier. "Thank you, so much, officer, for pulling me over and randomly hassling me this evening!"

However, the MOMENT Gates complied and showed them ID, it's time for the cops to end it. I can see the cop getting huffy and responding verbally, but they've got to leave at that point -- at that point, they're actually in someone's house for no reason. In your own home Mr. Gates had every right to be agitated, blacks and hispanics are treated differently by police, a girl at work who is black says that she gets stopped by police on occasion for no apparent reason, one time was because they thought she was in the wrong neighborhood ( it is an exclusive neighborhood and she was going to visit a friend). It is his home, he did not break in, he showed ID. The police at the very least owe him an apology, but I fault Mr. Gates and the neighbor, I find it sad that many people do not know who their neighbors are, and that includes me and my neighbors, I know who lives across the street, but many I don't know, would they recognize me? Probably not and I doubt they would call the police either. But, Mr. Gates showed ID, as soon as he did that the police should have left.

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If this had happened to most whites, blacks, HIspanics, etc, I know, they would've immediately shown their ID and explained what they were doing and why. Then of course it would've ended quickly.

The one who really acted "stupidly" IMO, was our President. This was not something he needed to address on national TV, he has more important things to talk about.

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Ginger

07-24-2009, 03:28 PM

Wow! my husband advised me he just heard the President and Professor Gates both admit they over-reacted to this situation. I heard the White House was scrambling to quiet the furor caused by foul-mouthed Gates.
The Smoking Gun has the full police report on the incident. Who "disrespected"
the other person? Read it and you will see the truth.

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07-24-2009, 08:55 PM

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I just don't understand how after someone shows proof that he lives there that he gets arrested, he is in his own home, he is not a robber, sure he was rude, but to be arrested for being rude in your own home just seems crazy to me. I am glad that the police there have nothing else to worry about, no real criminals to catch....

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Anyone ever hear of free speach???? I dont give a rats ass what the guy said to the cops, cops are well known for falsifying reports.

These asshole cops invaded his home without a warrant. They walked into his house and gave him a hard time.

Obama was right on the money calling these assholes the way he saw it.

The police are corrupt as all hell and they are in the news daily for shit they do to innocent citizens.

I hope he sues the living hell out of them and wins a huge settlement!

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Wow! my husband advised me he just heard the President and Professor Gates both admit they over-reacted to this situation. I heard the White House was scrambling to quiet the furor caused by foul-mouthed Gates.
The Smoking Gun has the full police report on the incident. Who "disrespected"
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Oh yeah, just because it's a "POLICE REPORT" we should all accept it as gospel, OH PLEASE give me a fucking break!

Linda Lou

07-25-2009, 05:50 AM

ITA with your post, Pal.

I watched interviews with whites and blacks, being asked the same question....how they felt about the incident.

The whites mostly felt that Obama shouldn't have been involved and certainly not use the word "stupid", and blacks mostly felt that he shouldn't have apologized.

Well, why not?

Gates WAS out of line, and it doesn't matter what color his skin is. He was the one who should have done some apologizing, IMO.

Pal

07-25-2009, 06:22 AM

I agree Linda Lou :) I'm content to see this end though.

Obama has a lot more to worry about right now than these types of issues and he shouldn't be bothered anymore about it. He called Crowley and from the sounds of it, they had a good conversation. I respect Obama in this hectic time for not just throwing out a quick, "oopsie" statement. He actually took the time to call them both.

I think the media needs to move on and just let this rest.

Pal

07-25-2009, 09:11 AM

Well, it looks like the professor has accepted the invitation for a beer at the White House. I wonder if Sgt. Crowley will.....

Wouldn't it be wicked if the professor and Crowley got into it at the White House and things got out of control again, lol. I would pay to see it~ What a great Jerry Springer moment. And considering that Gates told the officer that he'd "talk to your Mama on the porch," how long before "talk to the hand" is thrown out there, lol

MacBug

07-25-2009, 10:11 AM

LOL, a Kodak moment for sure!

Pal

07-25-2009, 12:44 PM

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LOL, a Kodak moment for sure!

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Oh yes and it's ON, lol. Crowley has agreed to the beer. This could actually turn out to be a pretty good thing.....

MacBug

07-25-2009, 03:43 PM

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LOL, a Kodak moment for sure!

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Oh yes and it's ON, lol. Crowley has agreed to the beer. This could actually turn out to be a pretty good thing.....

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Sure hope they have a fridge full of beer at the White House.

Pal

07-25-2009, 04:48 PM

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Sure hope they have a fridge full of beer at the White House.

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Oh Geez.....what if they all get drunk and turns into the always embarrassing, "I always loved you man!!!"

No, lol, I think they best stick to one beer and move on :)

Scoops

07-26-2009, 07:05 PM

Hi all! I was wondering how u all interpreted the situation. I respect Obama for his mea culpa... He did a good thing ultimately...I respect a person who rectifies their mistakes asap! On the local talk shows all sorts of people have been calling in to report similar encounters with the professor. One couple were on a flight with him and he tried to board sooner than everyone else After a delay using the old "don't you realize who I am" routine... When that didn't impress the boarding agent he accused her of making him wait because he was black. A black woman who owns the barber shop he goes to called in to say that she was not surprised by the whole thing because Gates often had a better than thou elitist attitude, and a Napoleon complex!! So the guy is confrontational...and snooty. Unfortunately for him , he came across a police officer with an impeccable record and an instructor on race relation. In the end...race doesn't give anyone the right to scream abuse at a police officer who is responding to a legitimate citizen call. I get the "sensitivity" aspect, but this guy was way overboard in his reaction.

KaliChris

07-26-2009, 07:30 PM

We get that at work, Scoops. I had a lady recently who lied about how many adults she had in her room so I charged her card for the extra person. She called back three months later after she noticed it on her bill and ranted and raved at me over it. Eventually she pulled out the race card and told me it was because I'm white and she's black. I didn't bring up her race; she brought up mine and I'm the racist?

Another one with a longer, hairier story got mad at us and started calling my Mexican American coworker racial slurs like Wetback, all while accusing of us of being racist towards her because she's black. We hadn't said anything about HER race!

Scoops

07-26-2009, 07:39 PM

Sometimes you can't win Kali!! When a person has a chip on their shoulder everyone is suspect to them. I used to deal with the public too, and some people were just itching to fight or wield authority...it was quite frustrating .

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We get that at work, Scoops. I had a lady recently who lied about how many adults she had in her room so I charged her card for the extra person. She called back three months later after she noticed it on her bill and ranted and raved at me over it. Eventually she pulled out the race card and told me it was because I'm white and she's black. I didn't bring up her race; she brought up mine and I'm the racist?

Another one with a longer, hairier story got mad at us and started calling my Mexican American coworker racial slurs like Wetback, all while accusing of us of being racist towards her because she's black. We hadn't said anything about HER race!

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KaliChris

07-26-2009, 07:42 PM

Customer service is interesting all right. Most people are very nice, but you really experience some weird and obnoxious people. And yeah, so many people these days DO have a chip on their shoulders. :/

Jules

07-27-2009, 04:55 AM

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I just don't understand how after someone shows proof that he lives there that he gets arrested, he is in his own home, he is not a robber, sure he was rude, but to be arrested for being rude in your own home just seems crazy to me. I am glad that the police there have nothing else to worry about, no real criminals to catch....

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Anyone ever hear of free speach???? I dont give a rats ass what the guy said to the cops, cops are well known for falsifying reports.

These asshole cops invaded his home without a warrant. They walked into his house and gave him a hard time.

Obama was right on the money calling these assholes the way he saw it.

The police are corrupt as all hell and they are in the news daily for shit they do to innocent citizens.

I hope he sues the living hell out of them and wins a huge settlement!

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Bill, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Obama should NOT have gotten involved. Period.

Monicauf1

07-27-2009, 05:01 AM

Jules, he only got involved because he was asked a question concerning this at the news conference- I do like how he fixed what he said- that both are at fault which I agree with, I think both Gates and Crowley are to blame and I agree with Bill, free speech- we should be able to say what we want to say in our own home- Crowley could have and should have walked away. Once Id was shown there was no reason for the police to be there.

Carmen

07-27-2009, 05:19 AM

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Jules, he only got involved because he was asked a question concerning this at the news conference- I do like how he fixed what he said- that both are at fault which I agree with, I think both Gates and Crowley are to blame and I agree with Bill, free speech- we should be able to say what we want to say in our own home- Crowley could have and should have walked away. Once Id was shown there was no reason for the police to be there.

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So in other words you are saying that when someone comes to your home for a visit you are allowed to insult them, call them names and ridicule them because it is your home?
You must have a lot of friends with that attitude. Free speech is one thing but Gates carried it a little too far, and you think this is right. You must be black.

Monicauf1

07-27-2009, 05:25 AM

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So in other words you are saying that when someone comes to your home for a visit you are allowed to insult them, call them names and ridicule them because it is your home?
You must have a lot of friends with that attitude. Free speech is one thing but Gates carried it a little too far, and you think this is right. You must be black.

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The police were not there visiting, and yes, I agree with free speech, it is your own- would I have acted the same way? No- but I am not Gates- he and everyone has the right to say what they want in their home- there was no violence, there was no weapon. And, no, I am not black and yes, I do have many friends, thank you.

Jules

07-27-2009, 05:30 AM

Monica is a wonderful person, and I am proud to be one of her friends.

Monicauf1

07-27-2009, 05:34 AM

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Monica is a wonderful person, and I am proud to be one of her friends.

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Thank you Jules- I think you are wonderful too! I love reading your posts, you just seem like a fun, wonderful person. Hopefully, I will find a man and be in love like you are....anyways, I find it amazing that someone would assume that I am black because I think both people were wrong and that Gates can spout off all he wants in his own home as long as he is not hurting anyone- I have not taken a poll but I am sure there are other white people that agree with me. To me I see gray area, there is not just one person right and just one person wrong...I do agree with free speech especially in my own home, would I have acted that way with the police, no of course not, they have the power to arrest you if they choose to....

itzg...

07-27-2009, 05:37 AM

~Jules, he only got involved because he was asked a question concerning this at the news conference~

I believe that was a mistake, "answering" the question when he didn't have all the facts. In fact, his answer was to call the police "stupid" which was certainly a major faux pas, imo.

His answer should have been something along the lines of 'I don't have all the information before me . . . .blah, blah, blah' or even a "no comment" would have been better than maligning an entire police force.

Scoops, good 'scoop' on the professor. He sounds like a major jackass, lol.

Pal

07-27-2009, 05:45 AM

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You must have a lot of friends with that attitude.You must be black.

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Carmen, your post was making some good points until you threw that in. Just so ya know, Monica is one of the few posters who never resorts to insulting or degrading and she is very well liked on this board. And the comment about her being black says more about you than her........ tsk tsk...

Pal

07-27-2009, 05:56 AM

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I do agree with free speech especially in my own home, would I have acted that way with the police, no of course not, they have the power to arrest you if they choose to....

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Monica, if a cop came in my home and was shoving my family around and calling us names, YES I would speak up and give him shit. Then I would try later to have him reprimanded in one way or another.

Gates turned this into something that it never had to be to begin with.

I am not being stubborn here and refusing to see your side. I just don't believe that there would have been ANY situation at all with that poor cop if Gates hadn't created one.

I think that because you ARE so open minded and fair, that you want to defend the "victim"....... The only victim in this was poor Crowley and the verbal abuse and insults he had to listen too when he was guilty of nothing. A black man CAN be wrong Mon.......

beachreader

07-27-2009, 05:59 AM

I am curious about free speech when it involves a police officer and cursing at them. Does that fall under free speech?

My neighbor was only saying shit (to the police officer on his front porch). The PO was having none of it.

My neighbor also has a "I'm better than you" and "Who do you think you are I have friends in higher places and the 2nd nicest house in the area" attitude and it was shining thru.

The officer told him to calm down and after a few times that he didn't care who he knew and to calm down. The only thing that I heard was "this is a bunch of shit"(or words to the affect) and that is were the PO drew the line.

I was amazed at the calm voice that the PO used at the time. Neighbor was pretty belligerent especially to the female officer when they moved it inside. She had to leave the house.

beachreader

07-27-2009, 06:05 AM

As for the president's comment on the situation: I see it as another example of his lack of foresight which has always been my #1 reason for not voting for him.

Monicauf1

07-27-2009, 06:25 AM

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Monica, if a cop came in my home and was shoving my family around and calling us names, YES I would speak up and give him shit. Then I would try later to have him reprimanded in one way or another.

Gates turned this into something that it never had to be to begin with.

I am not being stubborn here and refusing to see your side. I just don't believe that there would have been ANY situation at all with that poor cop if Gates hadn't created one.

I think that because you ARE so open minded and fair, that you want to defend the "victim"....... The only victim in this was poor Crowley and the verbal abuse and insults he had to listen too when he was guilty of nothing. A black man CAN be wrong Mon.......

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First of all, thank you so much for the compliment in the previous post!! That was very nice and sweet of you and I like you too. We don't always agree, but we don't have to, and you are not being stubborn and you do not have to see my side. I am not thinking that Gates is innocent, he is a loudmouth ass, my issue is that he was in his own home, on his property and not hurting anyone. I don't know how Crowley acted or what he said or his first reaction when he got to the home, I know I have personally met some cops that are/were assholes, I even dated one for awhile- so maybe I am seeing this differently because of my own experiences- I just think we should be able to say what we want in our own home, we should have that freedom, we should have free speech, but in some cases we don't. I agree, black men can be wrong, white men can be wrong, to me both men and the President acted wrong in the beginning- I am not seeing anyone as being 100% right or wrong.

Monicauf1

07-27-2009, 06:29 AM

Beach, was your neighbor arrested? I don't think there is such a thing as free speech when you are talking to the police, in his own home your neighbor should be able to say what he wants, as long as he is not hurting anyone or has a weapon. Was he bothering the neighbors? If yes, that is different. Maybe, Pal is right and I am being too open minded, I just think in my home I should be able to do what I want, say what I want as long as no one else is getting hurt.

beachreader

07-27-2009, 06:33 AM

No he wasn't arrested but I think that he finally had the good sense to stop cursing.

You made me curious about the actual law concerning free speech, a police officer, a belligerent home owner and the home owners home.

beachreader

07-27-2009, 06:36 AM

You are right that I can say what I want to anyone in my own home...and they can choose to leave.

When a police officer is there responding to a call he can not just leave...he has to finish his job.

Mackey

07-27-2009, 06:50 AM

Must defend Monica....her thoughts are always fair, we enjoy her posts, look forward to reading them.

I still agree with Pal...Gates was the antagonist..and that' black men can be wrong too.'..he is not viewed favorably here...he loved his 15 minutes and wants to prolong them. ..Time he 'gave it a rest'..he is just a man, being black does NOT make him special, nor does being white green or blue...so time for him to act like a man, learn from this experience, so we need not have any more dialogue...he has become a bore!

beachreader

07-27-2009, 06:54 AM

Judging from Scoops post he will learn nothing and continue with his superior attitude.

Monicauf1

07-27-2009, 07:03 AM

Thanks Beach for the information- personally, I would be thrilled if the police were there if they were told of a break-in- just makes me wonder if we are missing something with all of this....

Thanks Mackey! I love your posts too- now if only I could get real bitchy and mean- that way I can go have a beer or two with the President, I would love to meet him. As someone who is only 5'1 I doubt I could intimidate anyone to even be on the news for Obama to even hear about me to invite me for a beer....oh well, just a thought.....

Jules

07-27-2009, 07:05 AM

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Thanks Beach for the information- personally, I would be thrilled if the police were there if they were told of a break-in- just makes me wonder if we are missing something with all of this....

Thanks Mackey! I love your posts too- now if only I could get real bitchy and mean- that way I can go have a beer or two with the President, I would love to meet him. As someone who is only 5'1 I doubt I could intimidate anyone to even be on the news for Obama to even hear about me to invite me for a beer....oh well, just a thought.....

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I bet you wouldn't have a problem if Clinton were still in office. *snark*

: )

monicauf1

07-27-2009, 07:09 AM

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I bet you wouldn't have a problem if Clinton were still in office. *snark*

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LOL!!!! I bet I wouldn't either and he already knows my name very well- so he would not screw that up, but I am not a skank, a whore who saves a dirty dress....

Carmen

07-27-2009, 07:10 AM

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You must have a lot of friends with that attitude.You must be black.

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Carmen, your post was making some good points until you threw that in. Just so ya know, Monica is one of the few posters who never resorts to insulting or degrading and she is very well liked on this board. And the comment about her being black says more about you than her........ tsk tsk...

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Don't tsk tsk me I could care less about Monica and what she posts. Who the hell is she???

PK...

07-27-2009, 09:21 AM

Apparently Gates is still pushing for an apology.... The beer may be tossed in his face at this rate...

Personally, I am damned tired of ANYONE who feels "entitled" to behave in a bad way because of "whatever" happened in the past.... This is the present.... If you dwell on the past, the future you wish for will never happen...

People should be judged on their own current behavior... Misbehave, and be treated accordingly... Nobody is above the law, and Obama's calling the police stupid, seems to me, to be a further indication that he has a "personal" agenda, and is not really putting the good of the nation first... Undermining the country's police force will only increase the racial tension already in place...

That the president of the United States resorted to name calling and "chose a side" without having all the facts, and appeared to support the ongoing perception that the police are all racist pigs, is regrettable at best... Hah... "Stupid" at worst... (Sorry, couldn't resist that shot..)

His friends have been suspect from day one, yet he has been given a pass because of the "historical significance" of this election...

I wonder if anyone is keeping score on his turn abouts... The list grows daily...

;0))

Carmen

07-27-2009, 10:42 AM

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Apparently Gates is still pushing for an apology.... The beer may be tossed in his face at this rate...

Personally, I am damned tired of ANYONE who feels "entitled" to behave in a bad way because of "whatever" happened in the past.... This is the present.... If you dwell on the past, the future you wish for will never happen...

People should be judged on their own current behavior... Misbehave, and be treated accordingly... Nobody is above the law, and Obama's calling the police stupid, seems to me, to be a further indication that he has a "personal" agenda, and is not really putting the good of the nation first... Undermining the country's police force will only increase the racial tension already in place...

That the president of the United States resorted to name calling and "chose a side" without having all the facts, and appeared to support the ongoing perception that the police are all racist pigs, is regrettable at best... Hah... "Stupid" at worst... (Sorry, couldn't resist that shot..)

His friends have been suspect from day one, yet he has been given a pass because of the "historical significance" of this election...

I wonder if anyone is keeping score on his turn abouts... The list grows daily...

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Great Post finally someone who makes some sense.

MacBug

07-27-2009, 11:46 AM

His friends have been suspect from day one, yet he has been given a pass because of the "historical significance" of this election...

I wonder if anyone is keeping score on his turn abouts... The list grows daily...

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Heck, NO one keeps score on anything like that. He gets a free pass on anything "stupid" he does and says. Frankly, I'm surprised he got any flak on this one. The media usually finds some way to make him a hero. Guess they didn't this time, so he had to invite them both over for a beer.

***Oh Geez.....what if they all get drunk and turns into the always embarrassing, "I always loved you man!!!"

No, lol, I think they best stick to one beer and move on :)***

ROFLMAO!!! You know God loves ya, Pal. And I do too, ESP your sense of humor!

Jules

07-27-2009, 12:02 PM

Pal, I "Thank GOG" for you every day.

*giggle*

Pal

07-27-2009, 02:59 PM

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ROFLMAO!!! You know God loves ya, Pal. And I do too, ESP your sense of humor!

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Awe Mac, I almost ALWAYS agree with your point of view and you never fail to make me smile :) xxxxoooo

Pal

07-27-2009, 03:00 PM

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Pal, I "Thank GOG" for you every day.

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lol, Jules! I know Gog loves you, just like I do :)

Jules

07-28-2009, 03:52 AM

I knew you'd "get" that one....LOL.....still funny to this day.

ANNON

07-28-2009, 02:05 PM

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His friends have been suspect from day one, yet he has been given a pass because of the "historical significance" of this election...

I wonder if anyone is keeping score on his turn abouts... The list grows daily...

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Heck, NO one keeps score on anything like that. He gets a free pass on anything "stupid" he does and says. Frankly, I'm surprised he got any flak on this one. The media usually finds some way to make him a hero. Guess they didn't this time, so he had to invite them both over for a beer.

***Oh Geez.....what if they all get drunk and turns into the always embarrassing, "I always loved you man!!!"

No, lol, I think they best stick to one beer and move on :)***

ROFLMAO!!! You know God loves ya, Pal. And I do too, ESP your sense of humor!

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SHADESOFAL-QUEDA.....

Mackey

07-29-2009, 01:04 PM

Hi Pal, I just read on Madonna and her arms thread, that you will stick around, oh gosh do..posters like you are invaluable, even when you are pissed at me..you are intelligent and funny about it....BTW..those arms!!!! And I work out every day..hate to think I would end up like that. She is too young to be so ?veiny, or what ARE those ropes???

A quick remark about the Caller who notified police about Gates break in... She gave a press conference today, apparently she has been the recipient of hate mail, and was called a racist..reporters even tracked down her Mother..who was soo sweet and worried about her daughter...so she felt she had to speak out..a very nice and articulate women who had only nice things to say about all parties involved. I, sooo wish, it would all go away..enough already. HHH day..think I prefer the rain!

Pal

07-29-2009, 01:21 PM

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Hi Pal, I just read on Madonna and her arms thread, that you will stick around, oh gosh do..posters like you are invaluable, even when you are pissed at me..you are intelligent and funny about it....BTW..those arms!!!! And I work out every day..hate to think I would end up like that. She is too young to be so ?veiny, or what ARE those ropes???

A quick remark about the Caller who notified police about Gates break in... She gave a press conference today, apparently she has been the recipient of hate mail, and was called a racist..reporters even tracked down her Mother..who was soo sweet and worried about her daughter...so she felt she had to speak out..a very nice and articulate women who had only nice things to say about all parties involved. I, sooo wish, it would all go away..enough already. HHH day..think I prefer the rain!

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LOL @ the ropes :) :) I agree~

That poor woman. I blame all these negative feelings towards her on the bloggers and some media sources who neglected to include everything that happened. They broke it down to it's simplest terms by stating things like:

"Gates was arrested IN HIS HOME today by a police officer who was responding to a call in from a woman living in a predominately white neighborhood who saw a black man trying to get into his own home. After showing his ID, he was still arrested"...............

When people don't have all the facts and jump to conclusions, it can get very heated. I feel bad for that woman because she did NOTHING wrong.

I'll be glad when it goes away too.

I wish I could send you some of my rain Mackey. Lordy, it's wet.......

Monicauf

07-29-2009, 01:32 PM

Horrible how some people are treating that women, people should be thanking her for watching out- I would love to have neighbors like that. My sister and her husband live in a neighborhood like that, when I first went there to visit they were not home yet, I was at the front door knocking, checked the gate to the backyard- well before I knew it there were three neighbors that came over asking me who I was, why was I there- I thought it was great. Now, my neighborhood unfortunately they would not do anything if they saw something, so people should be thanking her and Mr. Gates owes her a gift for keeping an eye out for his place. So many people nowadays only think of themselves and do not notice what is going on around them....

Mackey- I agree about Pal- her and I have not always agreed about different issues, but as you said she is intelligent, she makes you think and to me that is a good thing and I enjoy her posts. I enjoy yours too so sticking around goes to you too!

Mackey

07-29-2009, 01:39 PM

Wow, you are still having rain? yesterday, was sunny here, so I was at beach all day, daughter took afternoon off, and we had so much fun...lots of laughing, and playing..much needed! No sun today..been a very wet summer!

I will start a thread on Psychic abilities, when I know I will have a continuous signal. I never learned to type, so I laboriously peck away,,when I lose signal, I lose post. and my temper. I had a most strange experience a few weeks ago, that I would like to hear your and other thoughts. I really don't like it, but there you go, I gots it .. rarely good news! lol

I thought Lucia's press conference was local....and you are right, everyone seems to be looking for a fight..hate it...so maybe tomorrow we can share our collective esp's ought be lively.

Pal

07-29-2009, 01:50 PM

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Wow, you are still having rain? yesterday, was sunny here, so I was at beach all day, daughter took afternoon off, and we had so much fun...lots of laughing, and playing..much needed! No sun today..been a very wet summer!

I will start a thread on Psychic abilities, when I know I will have a continuous signal. I never learned to type, so I laboriously peck away,,when I lose signal, I lose post. and my temper. I had a most strange experience a few weeks ago, that I would like to hear your and other thoughts. I really don't like it, but there you go, I gots it .. rarely good news! lol

I thought Lucia's press conference was local....and you are right, everyone seems to be looking for a fight..hate it...so maybe tomorrow we can share our collective esp's ought be lively.

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Mackey,
I would LOVE to hear what you've got to say about psychic abilities. I can't wait. Sorry you're having trouble with your service. It's especially irritating when you've got something you want to post about, lol. I have had my own experiences so we'll see if they're similar.

And thank you both Monica and Mackey for your comments. I loved posting with you both on the political threads and those were some of my most enjoyable days on this board.... :)

beekeeper

07-29-2009, 01:54 PM

What on earth was racist about that 911 call? Have they not heard it? Ridiculous ... the woman needs to be thanked and sent flowers!

I will chime in about Pall too ... she's awesome, and love the chats I've been part of!

MacBug

07-29-2009, 01:58 PM

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QUOTING FROM POSTER: Pal;1891249 (Post Number)

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QUOTING FROM POSTER: Mackey;1891245 (Post Number)

Hi Pal, I just read on Madonna and her arms thread, that you will stick around, oh gosh do..posters like you are invaluable, even when you are pissed at me..you are intelligent and funny about it....BTW..those arms!!!! And I work out every day..hate to think I would end up like that. She is too young to be so ?veiny, or what ARE those ropes???

A quick remark about the Caller who notified police about Gates break in... She gave a press conference today, apparently she has been the recipient of hate mail, and was called a racist..reporters even tracked down her Mother..who was soo sweet and worried about her daughter...so she felt she had to speak out..a very nice and articulate women who had only nice things to say about all parties involved. I, sooo wish, it would all go away..enough already. HHH day..think I prefer the rain!

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LOL @ the ropes :) :) I agree~

That poor woman. I blame all these negative feelings towards her on the bloggers and some media sources who neglected to include everything that happened. They broke it down to it's simplest terms by stating things like:

"Gates was arrested IN HIS HOME today by a police officer who was responding to a call in from a woman living in a predominately white neighborhood who saw a black man trying to get into his own home. After showing his ID, he was still arrested"...............

When people don't have all the facts and jump to conclusions, it can get very heated. I feel bad for that woman because she did NOTHING wrong.

I'll be glad when it goes away too.

I wish I could send you some of my rain Mackey. Lordy, it's wet.......

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I wonder now when she sees something similar happening in or near her neighborhood, whether she will think twice before she takes a chance that it might be some innocent black man who's locked himself out. Heaven forbid she go through all THAT again!!! Then it will be, "No one even bothered to call the police when my home was being broken into. Bet the police wouldn't come because they're RACIST!"