Is anyone else tired of these ridiculoius claims?

[ditto]

I just watched that idiot Betsy McCaughey on John Stewart. I swear she must be a clone of that other dumb blond Anne Coulter. She was the talking head that shot down Hilary's attempt at health care reform 15 years ago. She is a big lobbyist for the SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM and drug companies. Another bitch who only cares about herself and how much money she can accumulate. She makes ridiculous , fact less claims and propagates those assanine emails. Did Gnewt get out his old Clinton playbook and decide to play that same game again. I did not think Americans where that stupid but I guess I am wrong. Seem the majority of people are getting their information from Fox channel. They don't realize the idiots on that channel are not new reporters but entertainers hires to make ratings. The more ludicrous the story the better. It is amazing that 2 comedians, Stewart and Colbert are actually more informative and factual than the supposed news people. I refuse to call it FOX NEWS as they have no validity. It is a shame so many sheep thiink it is real. It is so sad the country is on its knees and these dumb ass politicians do nothing for :the people" It is all about lining their pockets. If we could just cut out their salaries , free transportation , shut off the AC, let them see what their constituents go through. Then we would see some action.

[getbent]

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I just watched that idiot Betsy McCaughey on John Stewart. I swear she must be a clone of that other dumb blond Anne Coulter. She was the talking head that shot down Hilary's attempt at health care reform 15 years ago. She is a big lobbyist for the SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM and drug companies. Another bitch who only cares about herself and how much money she can accumulate. She makes ridiculous , fact less claims and propagates those assanine emails. Did Gnewt get out his old Clinton playbook and decide to play that same game again. I did not think Americans where that stupid but I guess I am wrong. Seem the majority of people are getting their information from Fox channel. They don't realize the idiots on that channel are not new reporters but entertainers hires to make ratings. The more ludicrous the story the better. It is amazing that 2 comedians, Stewart and Colbert are actually more informative and factual than the supposed news people. I refuse to call it FOX NEWS as they have no validity. It is a shame so many sheep thiink it is real. It is so sad the country is on its knees and these dumb ass politicians do nothing for :the people" It is all about lining their pockets. If we could just cut out their salaries , free transportation , shut off the AC, let them see what their constituents go through. Then we would see some action.

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Odd - I thought the "Messiah" was going to cure all this?
Why blame Fox news - they didn't elect the Obamination, or Pelosi. They didn't pass a "stimulus" package that ruined the US automakers, pushed unemployment up to 10%, and so far has/will cost taxpayers a trillion dollars in debt.

Fox has nothing to do with a Congress and "president" that holds the people it supposedly serves in total contempt - aside from actually REPORTING on it, which CNN, ABC and the rest have never done. Go ahead a blame Fox and the right if it makes you feel better; it's still not going to get rid of all the long-eared jackasses that YOU voted into office.

You've had a mere eight months of "hope and change." Quit your bitching and take your medicine already. The rest of us are - until it gets rationed.

[biff725]

Hey bill what's up ?........

[Qvsee]

There are a lot of Americans who are off in the head if you know what I mean. They have to have a channel to watch..ha. Hypocrit channel. Glenn Beck may have to join them or is he already on that channel? He has lost most of his sponsors. What a dweeb....

[Pal]

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QUOTING FROM POSTER: ditto;1897420 (Post Number)

I just watched that idiot Betsy McCaughey on John Stewart. I swear she must be a clone of that other dumb blond Anne Coulter. She was the talking head that shot down Hilary's attempt at health care reform 15 years ago. She is a big lobbyist for the SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM and drug companies. Another bitch who only cares about herself and how much money she can accumulate. She makes ridiculous , fact less claims and propagates those assanine emails. Did Gnewt get out his old Clinton playbook and decide to play that same game again. I did not think Americans where that stupid but I guess I am wrong. Seem the majority of people are getting their information from Fox channel. They don't realize the idiots on that channel are not new reporters but entertainers hires to make ratings. The more ludicrous the story the better. It is amazing that 2 comedians, Stewart and Colbert are actually more informative and factual than the supposed news people. I refuse to call it FOX NEWS as they have no validity. It is a shame so many sheep thiink it is real. It is so sad the country is on its knees and these dumb ass politicians do nothing for :the people" It is all about lining their pockets. If we could just cut out their salaries , free transportation , shut off the AC, let them see what their constituents go through. Then we would see some action.

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Nice rant Ditto but you never ONCE stated what was "fact less" or "not valid"........

Please be more specific about what you feel were the lies or misconceptions so that we can address them.

It's easy to say it's all just bullshit...........let's see you explain WHY it's all bullshit and prove those people wrong.

You obviously have an "in" that they don't and I would like to hear it.

Specifics please?

[yippie9]

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There are a lot of Americans who are off in the head if you know what I mean. They have to have a channel to watch..ha. Hypocrit channel. Glenn Beck may have to join them or is he already on that channel? He has lost most of his sponsors. What a dweeb....

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Oh please MSNBC and CNN are the bastions of democratic fascism.

[ditto]

Well let me see, "Death Squads" would be a good start being that Betsy stated the whole propaganda. I just happened to watch JS show and he totally demolished her stupid rant. Just go to the web and watch his broadcast. In case you do not remember , she wrote and OPED on WSJ that had to be totally recanted because their was not one fact. It is hard to be specific when she is not. Actually Betsy just got dumped today by one of her medical device companies because she was totally exposed for the lune she is. Go to factcheck.org. My only in is my education. I continue to educated myself every day as I have to earn continuing education credits to keep my license to practice in my field. I love FOX as it is o entertaining to listed to the idiots they have on those ridiculous shows. Especially Glenn Beck he is so insane. CNN is boring but MSNBC can be entertaining as well. While MSNBC is what you call left wing , they totally admit it and at least stick to FACTS, FOX no spin just makes things up or takes things totally out of context. Look at the losers they have, Gnewt, Dick, Rove. Who would believe anything they have to say, their whole objective is to self promote. I listen to NPR instead of right wing radio because NPR give both sides of every story. It is easy to be brain washed when you only hear bits and pieces.
So I read, research and listen. You can get your own copy of the health care proposal and see for yourself that it DOES NOT SAY that by paying a doctor to counsel a patient on their rights, explaining a living will and advance directive is assisted suicide. Your ingorance makes you afraid. The government will not control your doctor. Right now your SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM company does that. Keep buying into the corporate rhetoric and you only make them richer , yourself poorer. Obama is not going to take your guns, he is not going to take your SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM. You should make a trip to Philadelphia and visit the constitution center and while you are there go the the Franklin institute and see the RACE exhibit, it will learn you that WE ARE ALL THE SAME RACE! Sorry to burst your bubble. I am totally independent because most politicians are only out for themselves. We will be much better off if we stopped this ridiculous us against them mentality . Here is Betsy @
SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMthinkprogressSPAMS PAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM2009/08/21/mccaughey-daily-show/ Don't be hatin'

[ditto]

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Well let me see, "Death Squads" would be a good start being that Betsy stated the whole propaganda. I just happened to watch JS show and he totally demolished her stupid rant. Just go to the web and watch his broadcast. In case you do not remember , she wrote and OPED on WSJ that had to be totally recanted because their was not one fact. It is hard to be specific when she is not. Actually Betsy just got dumped today by one of her medical device companies because she was totally exposed for the lune she is. Go to factcheck.org. My only in is my education. I continue to educated myself every day as I have to earn continuing education credits to keep my license to practice in my field. I love FOX as it is o entertaining to listed to the idiots they have on those ridiculous shows. Especially Glenn Beck he is so insane. CNN is boring but MSNBC can be entertaining as well. While MSNBC is what you call left wing , they totally admit it and at least stick to FACTS, FOX no spin just makes things up or takes things totally out of context. Look at the losers they have, Gnewt, Dick, Rove. Who would believe anything they have to say, their whole objective is to self promote. I listen to NPR instead of right wing radio because NPR give both sides of every story. It is easy to be brain washed when you only hear bits and pieces.
So I read, research and listen. You can get your own copy of the health care proposal and see for yourself that it DOES NOT SAY that by paying a doctor to counsel a patient on their rights, explaining a living will and advance directive is assisted suicide. Your ingorance makes you afraid. The government will not control your doctor. Right now your SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM company does that. Keep buying into the corporate rhetoric and you only make them richer , yourself poorer. Obama is not going to take your guns, he is not going to take your SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM. You should make a trip to Philadelphia and visit the constitution center and while you are there go the the Franklin institute and see the RACE exhibit, it will learn you that WE ARE ALL THE SAME RACE! Sorry to burst your bubble. I am totally independent because most politicians are only out for themselves. We will be much better off if we stopped this ridiculous us against them mentality . Here is Betsy @
SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMthinkprogressSPAMS PAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM2009/08/21/mccaughey-daily-show/ Don't be hatin'

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sorry for the rant i'm off my meds.

[GemGeek]

I'm just thankful that we live in a country where we can choose what we watch....or not.Personally, I like Fox News and HLN, my neighbor keeps MSNBC on all day and night.We don't throw rocks at each other over the fence, but we've had some pretty interesting discussions! Choice is a good thing!!!

[attention]

Pay no attention to yappie9. He obviously is too retarded to see beyond his own asshole.

You know, it's what he calls his nose.

[biff725]

By the way. where is bill today ?

[Pal]

>>>>>>>>Ditto) I just happened to watch JS show and he totally demolished her stupid rant.<<<<<<<<<<<<


Pal) Well, that's your first mistake right there. You do realize that he's a comedian, right? You said, "They don't realize the idiots on that (fox) channel are not new reporters but entertainers hires to make ratings."..... Yet, you seem to think that Jon Stewart is more reputable??? Come on Ditto......that did make me chuckle.

He didn't demolish her rant, he simply continued to argue his side, while she argued hers. They both saw what they wanted to see and argued accordingly.

People like myself see the whole picture. If you take the words of Daschle and Dr. Emanuel into consideration and their very disturbing thoughts on advocating rationing health care for the elderly, then you look on page 432 of the bill, which states:

"For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for covered professional services furnished during 2011 and any subsequent year, to the extent that measures are available, the Secretary shall include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that have been adopted..........."

it's pretty clear what is going on :) Do they use the words "death panel"?? Of course not. Obama has surrounded himself with people like Cass Sunstein, who believe you can judge a person by what they contribute and treat them (medically) accordingly.



>>>>>>>>>Ditto) It is easy to be brain washed when you only hear bits and pieces.<<<<<<<<<<<


Pal) So true. Take your own advice and look at the whole picture and what Obama has said for a long time. Look at the people he associates with. Then look at THEIR beliefs.....it will tell you a lot......



>>>>>>>Ditto) Your ingorance makes you afraid.<<<<<<<<<<


Pal) Please Ditto, don't insult my intelligence. None of my opinions are based on fear. They are based on what I have read, delved into and poured over........many times.


>>>>>>>>>>>Ditto) The government will not control your doctor.<<<<<<<<


Pal) Based on what I have heard from Obama himself (you may have to look a bit in the archives......he changes his opinions based on who's listening) Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy........so many others......I don't believe that to be the case. At all.



>>>>>>>Ditto) it will learn you that WE ARE ALL THE SAME RACE!<<<<<<<


Pal) I'm not really sure why you stated this but I was taught that many years ago and I don't need to go to Philadelphia to be reminded of that. But thanks anyway :)

[Qvsee]

You don't need a brain to be brain washed....just no common sense. You have people claiming death squads and Hitler and congresswomen calling people to riot and revolt. I hear this hogwash and I want to say that I, too want my country back. These right wing radicals and left wing radicals are bringing us down. Those stupid looking so called Americans with guns straped to their leg at public events are not admonished by their party. Next, they will be wearing them to PTA meetings, church socials, emergency rooms, into banks, grocery stores, etc........Great, they can own a gun..We get it. And, if we accidentally shoot ourselves, we go to jail....I guess we had better not conceal it and strap it to our side. At least Barney Fife kept his bullet in his pocket .........

[Pal]

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You don't need a brain to be brain washed....just no common sense. You have people claiming death squads and Hitler and congresswomen calling people to riot and revolt. I hear this hogwash and I want to say that I, too want my country back. These right wing radicals and left wing radicals are bringing us down. Those stupid looking so called Americans with guns straped to their leg at public events are not admonished by their party. Next, they will be wearing them to PTA meetings, church socials, emergency rooms, into banks, grocery stores, etc........Great, they can own a gun..We get it. And, if we accidentally shoot ourselves, we go to jail....I guess we had better not conceal it and strap it to our side. At least Barney Fife kept his bullet in his pocket .........

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There is no need to attack. I am not wearing any guns to town meetings and no other Republican I know is.

You want to talk about common sense?? What intelligent group would propose tearing up our entire system and destroying something that can never be put back into place, just so they can copy other countries whose own leaders and citizens have admitted failure?

It's like you are being given a special look into the future...............you see yourself getting hit by a bus and yet you INSIST on crossing the highway........ Now THAT'S sensible.......

Incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association, Dr. Anne Doig, has admitted that what Canada currently has for a health care system is not sustainable, their system is sick and imploding.

In Britain, you have Daniel Hannan, a British member of the European Parliament, warning us that we are heading for disaster with a 61 percent tax rate, an empty treasury, exhausted credit and subpar health care. I have read stories from doctors about back door euthanasia and the fact that they are being told by "panels" how to treat their patients.

We have France who is actually starting to take on policies we have in the US, just to keep their head above water from the soaring costs. Things like co-pays. They have doctors, nurses and patients who are complaining that care is being rationed. Since 1989, Assurance Maladie has been in trouble. This year the alone they are in the hole $13.5 billion, and it's only getting worse every year. Without drastic cuts and changes, they will self destruct.

I don't need Nostradamus to predict our future if we follow the same course.

Common sense? Who has it?? I'd say the people who learn from the mistakes of others has the clear lead..........

[Qvsee]

People on Cobra paying a1200 a month and old people having to turn their homes over to nursing homes to die with medical care is sure a proud way for Americans to end up after paying taxes and being law abiding citizens. There are the real death squads.......SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM Companies own this world and it is time for lower costs and better treatment of our citizens...not just the ones with money and power. We can learn from others and we are not admired around the world as we once were. We have become arrogant and selfish and some of our ancestors would be ashamed of how we now live and treat others within our own society.

[Pal]

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People on Cobra paying a1200 a month and old people having to turn their homes over to nursing homes to die with medical care is sure a proud way for Americans to end up after paying taxes and being law abiding citizens. There are the real death squads.......SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM Companies own this world and it is time for lower costs and better treatment of our citizens...not just the ones with money and power. We can learn from others and we are not admired around the world as we once were. We have become arrogant and selfish and some of our ancestors would be ashamed of how we now live and treat others within our own society.

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Here we have another instance of someone completely ignoring valid points and continuing to argue. WHY Qvee, should we follow in the footsteps of countries who are proving every day that their health care system is wrought with problems also? We need to improve a lot of things but why would we purposely set ourselves up for failure when we've had the luxury of seeing the consequences? You say we can "learn from others" and yet you ignore that tidbit yourself. It doesn't even make sense.

The arrogance and selfishness comes from people who refuse to see. You know what you want and you don't care how destructive it may be, as long as you get your way. You're right.....our ancestors would roll over in their graves to witness such irresponsible and self destructive demands.

You feel it is someone else's responsibility to take care of you and your family. I don't. So does that mean that I should be ignored because it's what YOU want??

As for the elderly losing their homes so that they may be taken care of in a nursing home..........????????? Good lord, it costs HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars to provide that one person with 24 hour a day medical care, shelter, food and complete care. And you are going to complain because they sign over their home?? At that point the only people losing out are the family members who will otherwise get it in the will.

I've been there so don't complain that I am just being a meanie..... A home is an investment and if it goes to pay for 24 hour a day care to the elderly person who owned it, sometimes for years and years, then so be it.

We need change but many people just don't agree with the change that Obama is offering. If Obama was Republican, I STILL wouldn't agree with it and THAT is the honest to God's truth........

[Qvsee]

I don't think we are going to nationalize the healthcare system. A choice to purchase a plan that fits our needs is what is being offered. If you enjoy your present plan and don't mind paying increases each year, keep it. But, some of us are in between. We are too young for Medicare and have pre-existing conditions and cannot afford to continue on this path much longer. We don't run to emergency rooms for every little sniffle. Some of us get upset that a Dr. spends fifteen minutes with us and charges hundreds of dollars to our SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM company. When some medications cost fifty dollars a pill, something is wrong somewhere. We do not want free services. We want fair services. Fairness has long been lost in the SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM industry. Doctors and SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM companies can still make lots of money but not an exorbinate (sp) amount. I have dental SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM and it paid 78.00 on a 1200.00 bill. Plus I pay 40.00 a month in addition. Some SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM. Why have it? My dad used to say ,,,,you will find out someday. What goes around comes around and life can change in an instant. We need to reform the healthcare industry. We voted to have the healthcare industry reformed. And, if it is not sweeping reform, at least make a start.

[Pal]

That's the thing Qvee.........it has been made clear over and over by the dems that they WANT a single payer health care system. And if not right away, then start it and let nature take it's course and it will eventually degrade into a single payer system. I normally don't like clips but it's easier than cutting and pasting other people's comments:

youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk


As for the dentist........I will be paying out of pocket tomorrow to get a cap repaired that will probably require the replacement of the cap beside it. It's part of life and a chance I took when I didn't purchase dental ins. Plus, I must admit that, I agree with your statement about "why even have it".........especially dental ins. It's very expensive and doesn't cover enough to justify it. I doubt they would cover fixing my caps anyway.

We need changes Qvee....I think we both can agree on that. We just need something that works for both of us :)

[Qvsee]

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That's the thing Qvee.........it has been made clear over and over by the dems that they WANT a single payer health care system. And if not right away, then start it and let nature take it's course and it will eventually degrade into a single payer system. I normally don't like clips but it's easier than cutting and pasting other people's comments:

youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk


As for the dentist........I will be paying out of pocket tomorrow to get a cap repaired that will probably require the replacement of the cap beside it. It's part of life and a chance I took when I didn't purchase dental ins. Plus, I must admit that, I agree with your statement about "why even have it".........especially dental ins. It's very expensive and doesn't cover enough to justify it. I doubt they would cover fixing my caps anyway.

We need changes Qvee....I think we both can agree on that. We just need something that works for both of us :)

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For sure...