state agencies that steal your children

[diznic]

I had four children until April 1988 @ which time they were "stolen from me and placed in state care..." It is 2000 and I have regained custody of two of the four kids and we are all very grateful but, there in lies the problem.... the "state" had these children for so long , that they actually have brain washed them into really believing that I didn't want them... they know now that this isn't true, but the damage has been done and it leaves me wondering what they told my other two boys???? My children are willing to go on nationwide t.v. just to tell the horrific story of their time in the foster care system, the lies they were told about me, the forced adoption, and the continue use of a case worker that is now the lawyer for the dept. through which they were taken... doesn't this sound a little like "conflict of interest," to any of you attorneys out there... isn't there someone that could please help us get the word out about the CPS/DSHS in the state of Washington???? if so, please e-mail me at ladygodiva43@hotmail.com or call me at 253-536-6425...... we can finally tell the world the truth........

[mlathey@]

My kids were also taken from me by C>P>S> in 1989 because of a lie.The lie was not the thing that got me in so deep but the lies that C.p.s. started telloing that my babies were suppose to have told to therapist. A sex therapist talking to kids 3,5,6. Because of what a 14 year old rebelloious teen to get even for braking her and a boy friend up.Try black mail,and munipulation of children by c.p.s. being ok because of an emunity law that gives them the right to tell lies. These are the things that happen when you take God out of the picture. The Devil works at c.p.s. and i know her name. mlathey@door.net

[Colleen Merrifield]

My five children were taken by CPS on DEC.16 1998.I have done everything my worker told me to do and still have not got my children back .Infact the things my worker told me to do he later used against me in court . He would lie to cover up his own mistakes,he would lie to my kids.He would change my visit time at the last min. and when I was pulling into the park were we met the foster parents would put my kids in the van and tell them I was not coming, the whole time my kids seen me pulling up and was crying telling thier foster parent "theres mommy" and still he took off and told my kids that I was late and that maybe next time I would be on time. My son was the one who had to call me and let me know that the time for us to meet had been changed and the foster parents were not planning on letting me know about the time change.
I have papers on what I had to do to get them back and I have proof that I have done everything and more .And still I can not have them back ,they even took my visiting away.
there was nothing wrong with any of my children at the time they were taken. When I finaley talked to my kids my daughtertold me "mommy I thought you were dead". I have done everything I was asked and still do not have my kids I need some legal help.
this is not even the begining of what Jeff Horne (my worker) has done to us.
They are trying to adopt my kids out.
I need help, Please, if you can help me we be greatful for anything anyone can do.

[Colleen]

you can reach me at
Colleen@webtv.net

[NorthCoast]

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If you want to make a difference, here's a chance. We have all been falsey accused or hunted like witches in Salem. There is a support digest and believe me the people are very kind and good people. CPSWatch has grown to the point that Canada and Skandanavia want to join forced with them. Cheryl Barnes is the National Director. She has been there too, so she knows what we each have gone through. Furthermore, on the list you can list yourself as annomous just in case social wreckers are viewing posted messages.

[Junipper]

There has got to be repeated complaints filled before CPS can "steal" your children. CPS does not just bust down the doors of safe and loving homes and pilfer children.

[cara]

CPS and all is stands for is just a pack of wolves in sheeps clothing.

[Junipper]

I feel sorry for your children because it must be very hard for them to have been torn away from their families. But I do not feel sorry for any of you. There was a reason for your children to be taken. Apparently they were not receiving adequate care while in your custody. You should of loved and valued them before and you would not be here now feeling sorry for yourselves. I respect those of you that may have turned your lives around are trying to make a new home for your children, but do not blame your past neglect on those who's goals are simply for the best interest of your children.

[unsure]

There is so many cases where children were taken from thier parents. My brother had cps come visit him in his home any time they wanted no matter if it was three in the morning ortwo in the afternoon. Just because he smacked his childs hand away from him trying to put a screw driver in a plug socket. Your trying to protect your kid from getting eletrocuted and they punish you. As far as i am concerned they could get rid of cps now. Families from long ago had more controll over their children and they were better behaved than the kids of today

[Junipper]

Are you actually implying that child abuse is no longer an issue? That it was only something that occurred in the dark ages. Do you ever read the newspaper or watch the news? Do you realize that nearly 100 children die each year as a result of child neglect and abuse? Now as for your brother’s situation somebody had to call CPS and report that the child was being abused before CPS was able to get involved. And as it is their job to research each report, they were simply keeping an eye on this child to make sure that the child was okay. They did not choose to harass his family, and they never took your brother’s child; they were simply trying to determine whether the child was safe. For some children this nature of protection is necessary. Your suggestion that we “take it away now”, you obviously have a lack of knowledge on the subject. Perhaps you should try to least know what it is your talking about before your comment.

B.T.W. If children are behaving worse than “way back when.”
You might try looking at some of people having children these days.

[heceta]

my child was taken from me when she was almost 2 years old..i was con'd by a social worker back in '76 from c.s.d here in oregon.."i was too young -under 18 and had more to my life than being a single mom"...so she said...my daughter was made award of the state and there was nothing i could do at he time to change this...

[montecristo]

My experience has been that CPS doesn't take children away soon enough!!!

In my case the father beat the daylights out of his son (black and blue with a leather belt), and got put on a child abuse registry, followed for six months, and given "parenting tips". The only reason he was caught on this occasion was that a teacher put their hand on the child's shoulder and the child jumped in pain. There were many, many other beatings that were not brought to the attention of CPS. Then I asked for supervised visits to protect my daughter. I told them about he abuse to his son. I was told "they couldn't find the file" and my concerns dismissed. Why didn't they look on their own registry????? He got unsupervised visits. Lucky for my small daughter that it wasn't "his" weekend with her, when, one fateful Feb day when he beat the daylights out of his other daughter. She too was beaten black and blue.

Guess what at the trial for criminal child abuse, they "couldn't bring up the fact he was on a child abuse registry" or use ANY of his past history of violence. Guess what they gave him his son back before the trial for beating the daughter.

Guess what, he got probation, and "parenting classes". I am sick to death of "parents" who beat the crap out defenseless children, and keep being give breaks. Essenstially he beat a child with a leather belt(choked her too), yet he got a "slap on the wrist". Soon he will be in court to get her given back to him. (Both children belong with their mother who never beat them. Years ago this monster took her son away from her a knifepoint, and bullyed her daughter out of her too.)

My sympathy does not lie with any parent who had their kids taken away. There was a reason. YOU were likley given MANY chances (too many) to get your act together. It is a myth that you get your kids taken away for a "slap on their wrist". YOU don't OWN your children - they have a RIGHT to grow up safe which should EXCEED your rights as a parent. A little bit of genetic material - egg or sperm should not give you the right to abuse another human being. In this state stealing a car can net a maximum sentence of 4 years, but beating a child would net a maximum sentence of only 4 months (that is IF the person actually got the maximum, more likely they would get probation - which is NOTHING). There are not consequences to beating children and THAT is the problem. Shoot, you can even get your kids given back to you so you can beat them again, and again, and again! Clearly society values cars more than children.

Both the kids in this case have severe emotional problems. The son has failed grade 8 three times. The daughter is suicidal, and wishes she were dead. Society in general, and these two children in particular have paid a heavy, heavy, price to protect the rights of an abusive parent. Children keep being given back to abusers, and sometimes they die, because we care more about the rights of parents than we do children.

To any drug addict, or alcoholic who has lost their child, I don't think you should be given "one more" chance. You made your choice when you choice drugs/alcohol over children - the most precious asset anyone can have. You blew it and there OUGHT to be consequences that are steep enough that we send a VERY clear message out to others who are about to make this tragic choice.

[Junipper]

Right on Monte!

[skeet]

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I called and reported it to the child abuse hotline then they sent a DHS reprsentative out and they investigated it and found it to be true.They sent a different associate(from their hometown) to investigate the perpetrator and found it to be untrue. I felt they knew the individual that interviewed them and got cleared of the abuse allegations by having a fair hearing.In which, enabled them to file for custody since her name was cleared from the central registry.
i had put my son into therapy as soon as he revealed that abuse to me. I was only interested in his well being while my ex wanted to take him away from me because i left him and it hurt his pride. He only wanted to hurt me and succeeded.
The DHS didn't do things the way they should have in the first place. I blame them for what happened because my son was abused and now has to live in it.I had therapist to testify to it, but since they got their name cleared at the fair hearing (in their hometown, which i will ad),made them unable to testify of it in court while they pursued custody. I truly believe if they had gone by the rules things wouldn't be the way they are now.They are supposed to send associates from the same office so there won't be any predjudice. That was what i was informed and I think that would be fair.
I know I am a good mother to both of my sons. I make sure they are fed and clean, get their homework and I make quality time for them.I am a christian woman, don't drink,or curse.I used to could say that i didn't smoke but i did start smoking after i lost my son to his father(if you could call him that).How can he be a father if he won't listen to his son?How could he actually want to take him away from his mother after that was all that my son had known. His father didn't even exorcise his visitations right. I realize that some people deserve to have their children taken away, but I don't.I will do all it takes to get my son back to where he belongs. Can you think of any advice for me. THANK YOU....

[MonteCristo]

Skeet, your situation is not the same as those previously mentioned. Your children were not put in state care, they were put into the hands of abusers, and you certainly did NOT deserve to have your child taken away from you. I am so sorry this has happened to you and your son.

Sadly, there are many more women in your shoes than most people realize. I wish Montel would do a story on your issue - kids being taken away from moms who only want to protect their kids.

I wish I had some sage advice. All I can offer is the link below. It is an egroup which discusses a lot of different issues, but the moderator Liz Richards may be an important source of info for you. If you post there, some others may also have some advice for you. If you happen to be in Marin County, Calif. there are a lot of others who have experienced what you have, and they also post on the board below. Marin County is the source of a great deal of scandal because of corruption in the system, and many women have lost custody to abusers (see "Divorced from Justice" by Karen Winner). You may also find some solace on boards for noncustodial mothers.

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Good luck to you. Your heart must be breaking into a thousand pieces.

[skeet]

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[`|Pandora|`]

Ok, I got a horror story bout CPS....One cold March night...my 1 and a half niece passed away in the arms of her baby sitter. my sister n Brother in law came back from their ANNIVERSIARY DINNER, to find the 16yr old baby sitter holding the baby bawling to 911. It took 45min to an hour for the ambulance to arrive by the time they got there, Morgan was DOA. Not twenty minutes after finding her baby dead, CPS marched in on my sister and took her two remaining kids saying she was an unfit parent and they wouldn't be given back till the autopsy report came back. Well for 4 agonizing days of funeral arrangements and not knowing if she would be getting Patrick and Amanda back, the coroner called in. He said from the first exray he took, it looked like the child suffered from a strong blunt trauma to the abdomen. She was shocked. Then he went into further detail. Morgan had a birth defect which was a hole in her diaphram, her stomach occaisionaly rose up into her chest cavity, usually on the left side, for her left lung wasn't develloped. This time it was on the right side. CPS Still blamed it on her saying it was inadequate medical examinations. But it wasn't. if the doctors couldn't find it, they couldnt find it plain n simple. She took Morgan to the doctors all the time. She even proved that with medical records. but she finally got Patrick and Amanda back AFTER the funeral. They couldn't even say bye to their baby sister. for the longest time Both of those kids were hellions, acting out their grief n misunderstanding over their lost sister.

IMO, CAS acted WRONGLY in that situation. They shouldn't have said "We are taking your kids cuz yer an unfit parent" They at least Shouldve said "With the death of your little one, we dont feel it appropriate for your other two children to be around at this point in time and we'll return them after the autopsy report clears" It's jus crazy...

[Charles Schulze]

Montel,

Thank you for helping to illuminate the issues with the Department of Social Services in the United States. The incredible guilty until proven innocent behavior of this out control organiation must be stopped.

Unfortunately until a person of means is attacked by DSS/CPS, middle and low income U.S. Families in immenant danger of becoming a DSS/CPS victims.

Your show goes along way towards illuminating hyprocracy in Social Service agencies across the U.S. Keep up the public opinion pressure to hold these government officials accountable. They have built quit a strong legal perimeter insulating themselves from accountability.

Like police agencies DSS and CPS need citizen review boards.
Misconduct and dereliction of duty must be dealt with swiftly and harshly.

The entire Child Abuse issue is a law enforcement matter and needs to be removed from the pervue of the Department of Social Services.

[De'Anna]

Dear Montel,

[Blessed]

TO THOSE "SAYING" THAT THE "STATE" TAKES YOUR CHILDREN FOR "NO" REASON AT ALL....
I HAVE BEEN A WORKER FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS.I HAVE CHILDREN AND ADULT CASES.PLEASE WHEN YOU FEEL IMBARRESSED OF WHAT "YOU" DID,DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK FOOLISH HERE ON THE INTERNET."WE THE "STATE" TAKE CHILDREN AS WELL AS ADULTS FOR NUMEROUS REASONS,EITHER ABUSE,DRUGS,OR
FAMILIES THAT JUST ARE NOT ABLE TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THEM.
NO WE DO NOT SPREAD LIES TO YOUR CHILDREN AND NO WE DO NOT ASK ANYONE TO LIE TO THEM.
THINK ABOUT IT, DO YOU THINK WE ENJOY PAYING OTHER PEOPLE TO CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF?WE LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THAT PERSON.
WE PREFER YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES AND MAKE AT LEAST "MY" JOB A LOT EASIER.
HOWEVER ONCE YOUR FAMILY WHETHER CHILDREN OR ADULTS ARE ACTUALLY PLACED INTO FOSTER CARE, THE FOSTER FAMILIES ARE THE ONES WHO SOLELY CARE FOR THEM.WE DO HAVE CASE WORKERS THAT YOUR FAMILY MAY AND HAVE REPORTED EITHER ABUSE OR AS YOU SAY "BRAINWASHED" YOUR FAMILY.
THATS WHERE I STEP IN, I FOLLOW THROUGH EACH COMPLAINT THAT IS REPORTED AND DO ALL FOLLOWUPS WITHOUT THESE FOSTER FAMILIES KNOWING.HOWEVER I CANNOT "FOLLOW A REPORT" THAT HAS NOT BEEN FILED.ALSO WE DO NOT TAKE FAMILIES AWAY FOR "NO" REASON, WE HAVE TO HAVE SEVERAL COMPLAINTS FIRST.THE ACTUAL COMPLAINT IS THEN FORWARDED TO A CASE MANAGER AND YOU ARE THEN NOTIFIED.I AM SORRY FOR THE FAMILIES (THAT WAS "TAKEN" AWAY) ESPECIALLY ABUSED.
I HAVE SEEN MANY MANY CASES THAT WOULD LITERALLY MAKE YOU SICK TO YOUR STOMACH, ON THE OTHER HAND SOMEONE JUST NEEDED ATTENTION AND LOVE.
MONEY MAY HAVE NOT BEEN THE ISSUE BUT "SOMETHING" WAS.
I AM PROUD FOR THOSE THAT HAVE THEIR FAMILIES "BACK",AND I AM MOSTLY GLAD FOR THE CHILDREN INVOLVED.
TAKE CARE AND BE RESPONSIBLE TO ALL INVOLVED!!!
I WISH ALL OF YOU THE BEST AND I HOPE WE NEVER HAVE TO CROSS PATHS IN THAT WAY....GOD BLESS !!

[spud]

hello every body.
(blessed) sorry but you might work whith these pepoel where ever you are at but where im at they take kids from pepoel for no real reason at all. like for instants kids are taken because thay get dirty from playing out side. that to them is neglect. and its not right to have your kids taking because you have low income thats being predgest against sombody for nothing.nobody is perfict in this world but the goverment thinks thay should be. in all and all the goverment should help us not take our kids.

[Blessed]

Hello spud,

I can understand your meanings as well,however
I dont believe that children are removed from their home for being dirty from "playing".

Neglect does NOT consist of "dirty" only from playing.
Playing are childrens happiness.

Children that play,eat,and sleep with the SAME clothes on day in and day out is considered neglect.Children like your self needs to have the dental/personal hygiene 24/7 no matter what the circumstances.

Relying on your statement "the government should help us not take your kids" there are numerous reasons as to why it is done.You being on welfare has NOTHING to do with agencies removing your children.This is why AFDC exsists.
Welfare is to help the needy not the "greedy".

It is the sad parents that take the "welfare" money and use it for personal use,ie drugs,alcohol,etc.

I am NOT saying that ALL welfare recipients do this,but merely just making a statement which has been proven for "some".

I am in no way accusing you of any wrong doing,just showing facts!!

You havent mentioned if these children are yours or not but
please get to the source of it,because the children were NOT removed because of ONLY being dirty from playing,one time.


Take Care and God Bless!!!!

[Tammy]

Their seems to be some here who need to get the facts straight. CPS DOES remove children falsley and in many cases the children are abused in foster care I my self was abused for many years in foster care and can site many stories were the abuse contiunes to grow in foster care.That is not to say that their are not parents out their that abuse their children but when talking about abuse lets talk about CPS.Parents beware it only takes someone to make a false allegation,You can go threw months of hell. ABUSE is real in america but mosley it is done by the system we have created to stop abuse CPS. DOn't beleive it can happen to you! Check out ******[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]******fostersurvivor.netfimrs.com
also CPS watch
justice for families
join hands for justice
deja alt support foster parents
Ihave my facts straight. CPS can and DOES remove children from their homes based only on allegations. How many children will we allow our goverment to remove from loving homes before we say enough is enough. Children taken into foster care do not go to loving parents who will protect them. They are bounced back and fourth to diffrent strangers homes to learn new sets of rules just as it is time to move again. PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT OF YOUR TIME TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR SYSTEM IS DOING TO OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES BECAUSE IT COULD BE YOUR FAMILY ARE SOMEONE YOU LOVE

[Blessed]

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Your unkind words of your feelings happened to YOU because of the unfamiliar justice YOUR foster parents had to deal with.It's not CPS fault that YOUR agony was caused, but that of another abused family.I have read previously on another post that YOU posted and went to that web page.I took the time to read and "UNDERSTAND" the pain YOU went through as a little girl.Your proofings only consist of YOUR saying,and No I am not accusing you of lying.Only YOU KNOW of your childhood.You say you are grown now,but now days the "foster children" are well informed of the rights THEY have.They KNOW they are to report such brutality/abuse and WHO to report it to.Now a child these days are more apt to make allegations faster than a speeding bullet if they do not like their living conditions.

Yes the CPS will and can remove children from homes with "only" allegations but will be REPLACED if such allegations shows to be untrue.

I cannot speak on your behalf.
But I can speak of actual cases where I have been involved.
No matter where or when a child is abused they have the right to complain to SOMEONE other than their foster parents.

I wish you luck in your search for your quest,and I hope you may find PEACE when you are done!!

Take Care & God Bless!!!!

[Tammy]

If as you say you went to my site then did you also read the many stories of abuse that still happen in foster care? And as you say, yes, the children are returned, but returned after what? Here is the story of a family in North Carolina. Mother has her children removed for false allegations. After her children were returned she discovered her son had been sexually abused in foster care. Yes I am angry, but it has less to do with my past and more to do with what is going on today. CPS is supposed to protect children. Who will protect the children from CPS? I am so tired of hearing that my case happened years ago. 1)it seems to me that by making that statement people are somehow trying to justify the abuseI suffered at the hands of my foster mother and CPS. 2) I can give you many stories of children suffering abuse at the hands of foster parents today. If removing a child from a loving home and placing them with strangers for month is not abuse than we have diffrent opinions on what a child needs to feel safe and loved. we continue to listen the CPS litany "this in the best interest of the children", please take a survey of former foster children and tell me how many would say that living in foster care was in their best interest. Yes children who have been abused by their parents need a LOVING home to go to, however we as a nation are failing them. I am an active member at a support group for foster parents and I realize that many are loving people who want to help. However they talk about children as if they were used cars to be tried out for 30 days and then to decide if they want to keep them. So please do not talk down to me as I am not so stupid to believe that abuse does not contuine in foster care today, and children do not have any more available resources now than I did. Who are they going to tell, social workers? HA! HA! thats a joke, the same people who are supposed to be protecting them and you would have me believe that they feel comfortable doing so.

[Blessed]

Tammy,

You have no idea of what really goes on so I will end with this:

CPS CANNOT do anything if it is NOT reported!!!!
All you are blaming is CPS when in actuality if NO ONE has reported such accusations CPS CANNOT act on the childrens behalf.
I know by your postings you are upset and if what YOU say is TRUE then why would you feel that I was calling you stupid?Your logic is plain and simple.....You were misused and think that every other child therefore is,but hun NO that is NOT the case.I can relate to your hostility but putting others in the same catagory as your self is ridiculous.

I DID read your web page not only "said" I did,I signed the guest book and wished you well.

I am not going to make a believer or a lier out of you or the system,however please dont talk as if you ARE AWARE OF "EVERY" housing that foster children in it.

I am in the state of California,and these parents here are
checked out thoroughly,ie.drugs,alcohol,etc.If a parent has a recent DUI they are turned down for foster care.If a wanna be parent has a murder back 25 years ago,or even a rape,molestations,or just any forms of abuse within their family the are TURNED DOWN for foster parenting.Even if they have upheld the law till this very day...So you need not recite to me of what goes on here,but you would need to seek help from where you are.This is a serious issue and by all means good luck with your quest.Dont be angered by WHAT I say,I just know what goes on here!!!

[Tammy]

"I am in the state of California,and these parents here are
checked out thoroughly"
FACT: In the state of California 348 cases of abuse by state care providers were substantiated for the year 2000. This is a fairly low number compared to some other states. This abuse by the hands of the very people who claim to be better caretakers than the parents, (not the foster parents themselves, but CPS).Is this an "acceptable" number to you? ******[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]******www.cpswatch.com/stats/states/CA.htm

[spud]

Blessed you juste asume those who have ther kids taking are on walfaire well you are wrong i was not. But yet these peopl think thay can come in to every body lifes and run them.you also asume those on walfaire does drugs thats wrong on your part to asume that and yes there are peopl who need the help but at what prices? and yes thay do take kids for nothing i have proved that and then some in court.
no matter who you are if you dont have a lot of money you will not win no matter what you do. and no its not because of my childhood or the way i live if thay want your kids thay will find a way to get them. the more kids thay places in foster homes the more money thay get that is wrong. some of the foster homes thay put kids in are no better or worse than what they where taking from. my youngest son was burnd on his face and hands and thay did nothing to the peoplewho did it to him (he fall off a chair it was a scrach) no it was not every body knows the diffrens in a burn or a scrach.
so no i dont like fosterhome some might be good but not all.

[fostersurvivor@yahoo]

4614 cases of abuse by state care providers for the year 2000 in the states
that report this data(approx 30 states report this number). Are these the
people we want monitoring CPS? Sort of like having the fox guard the
henhouse don't you think?

[Lions Rage]

Blessed, what you don't seem to understand that is that CPS is an organization that needs money to survive. The way to get money is to put kids in the system. What must be done to make this right is to take away the prospect of making money.

[ambicca]

Blessed; You are completely wrong. I realize now thatt you work within the child snatching system so you will never see the truth that is all around you because if you did your conscience would not allow you to accept your next paycheck. It happens all of the time. At this moment in N.C. the state is attempting to sever my stepson and his fiance's parental rights and there baby isn't even born yet!!!!!!!!!! They have come up with some trumped-up allegation that he is a sex offender even though we have proven them wrong, and since he is 18 and she 17 they have now snatched her and put her in foster care because her parent won't force her to stop seeing the babies father. SO DON'T EVEN TRY TO TELL ME THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
I am incredibly angry at the whole thing, and yes if necessary everyone involved in both families are helping them to make plans to runaway if necessary. Now don't you find that ridiculous! That these two will have to runaway and have no contact with there families just so they can have a life together with there child. The whole thing smacks of nazi germany and just the same way needs to be bombed too dust!!!!!!!!

[BEATENDOWN]

tammy you hang right in there because some of these people dont understand how much a mother goes through when the system stills our children.and the story is true they take are children based on lies because they did mine and i have proof but noone wants to listen.they have had my child sence june 23 of 2000.now let people say what they may it just had,nt happened to them yet.then let them come on the board and say what we are trying to say.please someone has to listen.

[BEATENDOWN]

tammy you hang right in there because some of these people dont understand how much a mother goes through when the system stills our children.and the story is true they take are children based on lies because they did mine and i have proof but noone wants to listen.they have had my child sence june 23 of 2000.now let people say what they may it just had,nt happened to them yet.then let them come on the board and say what we are trying to say.please someone has to listen.

[spud]

hi Ambicca,Beatendown I got one thing to say and that is dont ever give up. i have been doing my own research on revisedcods that been useing.thay thought because i did not finsh school i dont know what to fight with well i just put my appel in and thay are pissed because we will be going back to court and thay are not happy they thought thay won try againe. if you dont know what cods are look them up.(Ohio Revised Code)if your not in ohio then put in your state you are in. but what ever you do dont ever give up because thats what thay whont you to do.(Ambicca)i wish the best for you and hope ever thing goes well.

[Tammy]

Iwould just like to make one point. Those who know the facts of CPS can defend their rights with facts. Fact. Children are removed from their homes with only allegations
Fact2.Children can and do get abused in foster care.
Fact3. Parents do have the rights to fight CPS but they are not informed of those rights because CPS does not want you to know.
Fact4.CPS has to remove so many children to contiune to receive their goverment funding.
Fact5. CPS miss places children in care and they can and do go months before anyone knows where they are( A child(foster) was in detention center for 45 days before anyone realized he was not suppose to be their.)
CPS is out of control. ******[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]******fostersurvivor.netfirms.com
Read the storys of formerfoster children and the news articules of the abuse that children still suffer in care.
Fact6 Out of their own mouths(Foster parents say that children are being placed two many times in diffrent foster homes.
We are the people, We have the RIGHT to have our goverment listen to use. We are the ones who must change what we don't like. Speak up for your children and your children children.Some day CPS will knock on your door or a loved ones door who will speak up for you.

[BEATENDOWN]

tammy you go girl.keep up the good work and maybe with everyones help we the mothers can get our children back home where they belong and out of the hands of the social workers hands and put their ass on the street and see how they like that.or just tie allof them together and just beat the living hell out of them.

[Nev Moore]

To the people who think CPS doesn't snatch kids without good reason why don't you look at their own stats from the Fed gov. U.S.Health & Human Services documents that there are 3 million reports of child abuse/neglect each year. They agree that over 2 million of these are false or frivolous, yet may result in the wrongful separation of child from family. Of the remaining reports that are SUBSTANTIATED by CPS HHS documents that 68% "DO NOT INVOLVE CHILD MALTREATMENT". Rather, they are for interpretive social reasons &/or poverty issues,ie: spanking,homeschooling,diaper rash,"risk" of homelessness,"parentifying child"(letting child help with chores,etc..), or parent resistant to enforced government programs. This is no different that the threats, intimidation, and coercion used by SS officers in Nazi Germany. For anyone who needs help and support, visit our website @ www.justiceforfamilies.com. Please sign our guest book and get involved in the message boards.Nev Moore, Executive Director, Justice For Families

[TeresaInTexas]

I just posted a message on another board that I would like for everyone to read. I think it is on "deadbeat parents" Please check it out. Thanks, Teresa

[Tammy]

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This is a great site for support and legal advice. ******[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]************[THIS SPAM IS A SCAM]******www.fostersurvivor.netfirms.com is my own site and would be willing to listen and offer any support I can. Justice for families is an good place to go, one more is join hands message board.

[ALLFULLUP]

I HAVE SCANNED THROUGH SEVERAL POSTING HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT MY PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS ARE WITH ALOT OF YOU. LIKE YOURSELVES, I HAVE HAD MY OWN ENCOUNTERS, MINE WITH THE LOUISIANA CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES. I HAVE HAD THEM SEND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO MY HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND THEY WERE CLOSE ON THEIR HEELS. UPON ENTERING MY HOME THEY WOKE MY CHILDREN UP(IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT) AND PROCEEDED TO CHECK THEM FOR BRUISES. UPON FINDING NOTHING THEY THEN TURNED AROUND AND STARTED TELLING FRIENDS OF MINE THAT WERE THERE THAT THEY HAD TO LEAVE, THEY TOLD ME THAT I HAD TO TAKE MY CHILDREN TO A DOCTOR TO BE CHECKED "AND HAVE A COMPLETE PHYSICAL." ALL OF THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. I BATTLED WITH THESE PEOPLE REPEATEDLY FOR MONTHS AND CONSTANTLY WAS ACCUSED OF NEGLECTING OR MISTREATING MY CHILDREN. EARLIER I READ WHERE SOME ONE WROTE THAT THEY DO NOT INVESTIGATE UNLESS THERE IS A REPORT. I HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD(BY ONE OF THESE STATE OFFICALS) THAT THEY HAVE TO INVESTIGATE EACH CALL THAT THEY RECIEVE. WHILE THIS MAY ALL BE TRUE I PONDER ON OTHER QUESTIONS....WHY DO THEY NOT REQUIRE MORE INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE WHO CALL AND MAKE THESE REPORTS? WHY DO THEY NOT INVESTIGATE THEM? WHY ARE CHARGES NOT FILED AGAINST THESE PEOPLE IF FALSE REPORTS ARE MADE? IN MY CASE, I WAS GOING THROUGH A DIVORCE AND MY NOW EX HUSBAND WAS THE ONE CALLING IN THESE REPORTS. OF COURSE WITH HIM COMING AROUND TO SEE OUR SON ON A REGULAR BASIS HE KNEW JUST WHAT TO TELL THEM. AT ONE POINT HE BROUGHT MY SON BACK INSIDE ONE DAY AFTER "ONE OF HIS VISITS" WITH A BURN ON HIS FOOT WHERE HE HAD THREW A CIGARETTE ON THE GROUND AND IN NOT PAYING ATTENTION LET HIM STEP ON IT. THE NEXT DAY HERE THEY COME. I TOOK ALL THAT I COULD AND BARELY ESCAPED WITH MY CHILDREN. I LEFT MY HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH MY CHILDREN (AFTER THIS EX JUMPED ON ME AND BEAT ME IN PUBLIC THAT DAY) AND FLED TO ANOTHER PARISH IN THE STATE WHERE MY MOTHER LIVED. WHEN I LEFT, I LEFT FURNITURE, FOOD,EVERYTHING AND REFUSED TO EVER GO BACK. WHEN I JUMPED PARISHES "MY CASE" WENT WITH ME. AFTER MOVING TO MY MOM'S HOUSE(WHERE I MIGHT ADD THE EX COULD NOT COME TO) MY BATTLE WITH THE STATE AND THEIR "REPRESENATIVES" THAT I HAD FOUGHT FOR MORE THAN 5 MONTHS WAS OVER IN A MONTHS TIME. THE CASE WAS CLOSED AND I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD FROM THEM SINCE NOR DO I EVER CARE TO. YOU SEE, MY EX THOUGHT THAT IF HE COULD GET TO ME THROUGH OUR SON THAT MAYBE I WOULD COME BACK. DURING THIS SAME TIME THAT THEY (THE STATE AND THEIR REPRESENATIVES) WERE INVESTIGATING ME AND IN MY EYES "HARASSING" ME, THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN THE SAME PARISH, SAME STATE THAT WAS BEING ABUSED. TWO WEEKS AFTER I LEFT THAT PARISH, I FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS DEAD. I HAD NO IDEA AT THE TIME WHAT WAS HAPPENING NOR DID I KNOW THIS LITTLE GIRL, BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT IF THEY HAD HAVE BEEN WHERE THEY WERE REALLY NEED INSTEAD OF "JACKING" WITH ME THAT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE THAT LITTLE GIRL WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. YOU SEE MY SITUATION DID NOT TURN OUT AS BAD AS IT COULD HAVE. I AM COMPLETELY CONVINCED THAT IF I HAD HAVE STAYED IN THE PARISH WHERE I WAS AT THAT MY CHILDREN WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM ME. I GUESS I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO AND SOMEONE TO GO TO. THAT ALL TOOK PLACE IN GRANT PARISH,LOUISIANA IN 1996. I STILL HAVE ALL 4 OF MY CHILDREN WITH ME NOW. SOME PEOPLE THAT I HAVE READ ABOUT HERE AND OTHERS THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY ARE NOT SO LUCKY. AS I SAID BEFORE YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW CLOSE I COME TO LOSING MY CHILDREN TO A STATE AGENCY OVER FALSE CLAIMS AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH "STATE REPRESENATIVES" WHO ARE SO WRAPPED UP IN DOING THEIR "JOB" THAT THEY CAN'T SEE WHERE THEY ARE REALLY NEEDED AND WHERE THEY ARE NOT. RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAD TO GIVE HER SON UP TO HER EX-HUSBAND TO STOP THE STATE FROM TAKING HIM. THEY CLAIMED THAT HE WAS MISTREATED / ABUSED. SHE HAS BEEN TO COURT PROBABLY AS MUCH AS ANY JUDGE ON THE BENCH IN THIS STATE HAS AND THROUGH IT ALL OUT OF THE TWO CHILDREN THAT SHE HAS ONLY ONE OF THEM AND HIS WELL BEING HAS NEVER BEEN QUESTIONED. THE OTHER CHILD STILL LIVES WITH HER AND NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN SAID ABOUT HIM. THE THING THAT GETS TO ME IS THIS... IF THERE IS ABUSE OR NEGLECT IN HER HOME THEN WHY WERE THEY ONLY TRYING TO REMOVE ONLY ONE CHILD? WHY LEAVE ONE THERE? THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THIS... THE ONE THEY WERE TRYING TO REMOVE FROM THE HOME WAS THE BABY, MAYBE THEY COULD PLACE HIM FASTER OR MAYBE PUT HIM UP FOR ADOPTION TO "FIT" PARENTS.(AND I SAY THAT WITH A SARCASTIC TONE) MAYBE MY EXPERIENCES WITH THESE AGENCIES AND THINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO GREW UP "IN STATE CUSTODY" HAVE LEFT ME WITH A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK ON THIS SUBJECT....BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK SO.

TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE WHO ARE FIGHTING TO GET YOUR CHILDREN BACK HOME WITH YOU I HAVE THIS TO SAY...........GOOD LUCK AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND BE ON YOUR SIDE, JUST REMEMBER THAT EVER DOG HAS HIS DAY AND WHEN YOU GET YOUR CHANCE GO FOR IT.

[BMASTER2930]

I HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN. I HAD ONE TAKEN FROM ME BECAUSE I TRYED TO GET HIM MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR A STOMACH VIRUS. I BROUGHT HIM TO THE DOCTOR EVERY 2 MONTHS FOR A WELL BABY CHECKUP, AND THE DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT IT WAS TIME TO GET HIM OUT OF HIS BABY BED AND PUT HIM IN A REGULAR BED. WE LINED UP THE BED WITH BLANKETS SO THAT HE WOULD NOT HIT HIS HEAD AND THAT IS WHAT HE DONE. I BROUGHT HIM BACK TO THE DOCTOR AND HE WAS SUPPOSE TO MAKE THE REPORT IN MY SONS FILE. NEVERTHELESS HE DID NOT. I BROUGHT MY SON TO THE HOSPITAL IN ALEXANDRIA LOUISIANA AND THEY CALLED THE OCS-WHICH IS THE CHILD PROTECTION IN ON ME AND I RECIEVE THE WORST TREATMENT EVER. THEY BLAMED ME FOR BEATING HIM UP AND THE HOSPITAL DRUGGED MY SON TO DO EXRAYS, THE OCS DECIDED TO SAY THAT I DRUGGED MY SON AND HE NEEDED HELP. THEN LATER THEY CAME AND SAID THAT I BROKE HIS PELVIC BONE THAT WAS LIKE THAT THE DAY HE WAS BORN. THEY ADMITTED HIM IN THE HOSPITAL AND THE DOCTOR THAT I TRUSTED TO TAKE CARE OF MY SON SAUD HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPEN TO HIM AFTER SEEING HIM EVERY OTHER MONTH FOR 5 MONTHS. HE KNEW WHAT HAPPEN. THE OCS TOOK MY SON FROM ME AND ONLY GAVE ME 3 DAYS TO BE READY TO GO TO COURT. THIS IN 3 DAYS WAS TO FING AN ATTORNEY AND ALSO GET MY OTHER SON IN TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR TO PROVE I HAD HURT HIM TO. THEY TOOK ME TO COURT AND THE COURT ATTORNEYS DA.'S SAID THEY WOULD NOT PROSICUTE ME BECAUSE THEIR WAS NO EVENDENCE. THEY NEVER COULD PROVE ANYTHING ON ME BECAUSE THEY KNEW I HAD NOT DONE THIS. IN COURT THEY WOULD NEVER LET ME TAKE STAND. THE OCS WORKER HAD ME PUT IN JAIL. MY NAME WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS PAPERS AND I RECIEVED SO MUCH MAIL AND THREATING PHONE CALLS THAT I HAD TO CHANGE MY NUMBER AT LEAST 5 TIMES IN A MONTH. I HAVE FOUGHT FOR 4 YRS PLUS AND PUT MY NEW HUSBAND AND MYSELF IN SO MUCH DEBT THAT WE HAVE LOST ALMOST EVERYTHING FIGHTING TO GET MY SON BACK AND TO TRY TO RAISE THE OTHER SON THAT THEY LEFT WITH ME. MY EXHUSBAND HAS MY BABY. THEY CHOSE TO GIVE MY SON TO A MAN THAT BEAT ME EVERYDAY AND TRYED TO KILL MY KIDS. THIS IS WHO THEY DECIDED WAS THE BETTER PARENT. I HAVE NEVER EVEN SPANKED MY KIDS MUCH LESS BEAT THEM UP. I AM NOW 855,000 DALLORS IN DEBT IF YOU COUNT ALL THE MONEY WE HAVE SPENT ON ATTORNEYS, GAS , FOOD ECT. TO TYR TO GET MY SON BACK AFTER 4 YRS. HE IS STILL NOT AT HOME. I JUST NOW GET HIM EVERYOTHER WEEKEND AND SOME ON THE HOLIDAYS. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO HIM NOW THAT HE WANTS TO KNOW WHY HE CANT LIVE WITH MOMMY? THE LADY WHO TOOK MY SON RETIRED DUE TO HEALTH PROBLEMS 2 DAYS AFTER SHE TORE MY FAMILY APART,AND WHEN SHE SEES ME OUT IN PUBLIC ALL SHE DOES IS SMILE AT ME AND LAUGH. IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGETIONS PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

[renee]

another vitctim of cps.if yo9cp0don't want our kids then why are you tearing apart innocent families and letting the guilty ones get away with murder?DON'T SAY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY.EVERY DAY YOU DESTROY ANOTHER HOictim to.my kids 2 boys were stolen also by cps on lies.i have been fighting for 14 monthes and now they want to take my rites away.they had no evedence in court and did not even investigate my home.my boys were not abused or neglected in any way.i was charged with neglect without fualt.i have not been allowed to say any thing on my own behalf.nor has any one else.your rite there has to be someone out there with a heart that wants to see cps take fault for the mistakes they made and the lives they destroy in the process.i have never thought about abuseing my boys the way cps abuses me and them and thier stepfather that just came into thier lives.on top of it all my children have disabilities and my oldest is on ssi.they are 10 & 6.i have searched for a lawyer that will help me and have had no luck.there has to be a lawyer who has a good and descentheart that does want to see families not destroyed by cps.cps seems to think they can do no wrong but they are seriuosly wrong they have abused to many people and have gotten away with it .i am willing to be the first one to prove them illegally harming peoplemore than the parents themselves even thought about.feel free to mail me i will be more than glad to share the trueth with anyone.this needs to be brought out so they don't keep destroying kids and the parents.no we are nopt treated fairly at all.
ME AND FAMILY.

[lulu5365]

Montel, I would just like to say a few things, first of all the Dept. of Social Services
has been a thorn in my side most of my life, and they continue to do so through friends of mine. While I am the first to say that I believe the entire system needs a major overhaul, I will say that not ALL of the workers are unjust. However, I have yet to have a good experience with DSS, from 18 years ago(and this is documented with DSS) when I was forced to place my son up for adoption after being turned down 7 times in 5 days for assistance, even though several people were willing to sign affadavits stating that I had no power, food, and no prospects of any kind for income, and I was fixing to get kicked out of my trailer for not paying the rent. And for those who would say, I brought this on myself, just let me say, I had NO idea where my parents had gotten to and I was 16 yrs old and all alone. In the end my son was placed with a couple of my choosing and DSS didn't get their hands on him, even though the case worker that turned me down contacted Family and Children Services after she turned me down the last time and told them I was neglecting my child. Over the years I have been terrorized by the DSS, because every time I turned around they were in my life, even after I got my life together and no longer used their services, like the time I was working and my kids were staying with a friend and someone called DSS and said I had abandoned my kids, DSS was going to take them on the spot, and they told me I was lucky. Now, I know of a case where DSS walked in a took a little boy, with NO court order, because his father was riding him on his lap in his wheelchair. And that is All there is to the story, but DSS has decided he is a threat to his son. Now I am talking about someone that DSS has used for other abused children as a temporary foster home, but now he is a danger to is own son. Give me a break.

[b. kasowan]

I just read the many e-mails on the board about foster care.I myself was a lucky one as far as foster homes went but the 3-4 yrs. in the children's home in minnesota was the worst.I was a ward of the state and when my sister wanted to take and raise me she was denied but other foster parent's were allowed by the state to take me out of my country and i was just forgotten about.The state has to much power to make decisions which effect kids lives later on.Even though my foster parents were good the love and helping to make decisions just aren't there.Had i lived with my sister i believe i would have gotten the education and a future but my foster parents never really cared they gave me a roof and food but not a family.My main goal was to give that to my children and i have to great kids and a grand daugter.I do believe something should be done but nobody it seems cares about the system.I have tried contacting lawyer as to my rights but no one replies. We put these things on the boards but do we get a reply from any of the show hosts. Because it isn't a topic people care to hear about no one shows any interest.If we could get the massage out and show concern about foster kids you could turn some of them around. I had a few people like a school teacher and a few police officers who really influenced me as i was growing up.It seems to be an up hill battle to get people to understand just what happens in the world of foster care and how it effects a child good or bad.

[falselyaccussedinpa]

I started dating my fiancee in december of 1999.She is the woman i wish whom would of mothered my three children but needless to say she isnt and im glad i have her in my life today. Ya see we live in a small town in pennsylvania an conomically deprieved area since the steel mills closed some 10 years ago,so about three months into our wonderful new found relationship we make a desicion to travel to Pittsburgh where economics are on the rise,so we travel to pittsburgh a mere 80 miles from our hometown to conduct ajob search her then 3 year old daughter stayed with my fiancees mom for two days while we were away.We arrived back home me with a job offer her,with a few good oppurtunities shortly after we returned home my fiancees daughter 3 years old comes to us and says i cant move to pittsburgh mommy its to far from grandma at this point in time her being three couldnt and doesnt understand distance any ways nothing was etched in stone until about a week later when my fiancee recieved a phone call from a hospital in pittsburgh with a job offer at this point we were instatic because we were about to embark on a better life for the 3 of us,so we thought my fiancee revealed to her mom we we're moving and hermom who was encouraging us only a few days previously now is dead set agaisnt the idea. We still decided to move but we we're stopped by child protective services with an allegation of sexual abuse, this was and is today still a false report but nonr the less it was indicated by the agency and founded by a county judge and the child still remains in the care of the desperate reporter her grandmother some 13 months after the report i have mantained my innocence through this all and my fiancee has stood beside me with no remorse we are still active in trying to resolve this matter through the investigating agency. But im an innocent man registered through child line as a perpatrater of a sexual act on a child though there is no criminal charges i still carry this with me on a daily basis how the system works agaisnt a happy family trying to gain in life what we didnt have in ur present situation now are lifes are on standby as we go through all the needless stuff for a false accusation.if there is anyone out there interested in hearing my whole story which hasalot more detail then what ive shared here please email at distressedinpa@hotmail.com if there is anyone who has any advice please share it with me.

[Woodson]

Some of the ladies are right. The state agsncy is lying about something and it needs to be checked into.First let me tell you something the so called concerned people who take your kids and place them in foster care get paid money to take care of your kids when you can take care of them yourself!I'll tell you something else they don't a better job than what the natural father and mother can do! In fact some do a worser job than the natural parents! This is what the rumor is somebody thought; whether it was the county children services department these ladies needed a new car or a home. Basically what I think somebody is real jealous of you and yours. I also think that the people who take in kids can't find a job or do anything else in this world;You need to watch the imitation of life very carefully from the beginning and I hope you get what I am trying to explain to you. Let me tell you something you don't live in this world with out that stuff you dish out coming back to you!

Let me tell you a story; 34 years ago my late grandmother passed away and left 5 kids; there was a lot of circumstances surrounding her death mainly the sins of her ex-husband,
but anyway her children winded being under the supervision of children's services and my mother at the age of 15 winded up having me while living in foster care.Well my life ain't perfect I would be doing good to have a good day. But at least I got to experience her beliefs, so now I know what a whorish man is, ha ha ha ha! Maybe this experience will bring you back to your roots.


Signed,

I hear Ya1

[no justice]

Concerning Children being taken away,I read all these
messages.This one goes to the"CPS",YOUS ARE A CROCK,
YOU LIE,MANIPULATE PEOPLE!!!!!!!! To trust you people
is a mistake.I,learned just what yous are capable of!
You play judge to many times,and whats worse is you
and others are the jury.Now,to those who lost children,did you know States get grants to adopt your
child? Look it up,HHS.ITS SAD,BUT TRUE! I,believe in
justice,concerning abused babies,children,BUT when
lies are constructed to take Children that is going
beyond justice,thats inhuman.There needs to be a
Department overseeing these foster cares,adoptions,
I,bet the numbers are high,the reasons are shady,
the proof in most cases are little to none!
There needs to be a poll to vote on this matter!
Or write your Government.A US investigation of the
"CPS",NEEDS TO BE DONE!what a shocker! Do you agree?

[cheyenedawn]

Concerning CPS. On December 31,1990 The sheriffs department came to my home and informed me that my daughter(4yrs.old)who was on visitation with her Father would not be coming home, and that they were there to pick up my other child (16month's).They informed me that I needed to go to the local CPS office. Once there I was informed that they were taking my children. You see my ex-husband and his mother had decided they wanted my oldest daughter.The youngest was not his. They accused me of drug abuse, sexual molestation with 4 to 5 men at one time.I personally don't know 1 man who would do such a thing much less 5. They also accused me of devil worshiping and satanic ritualistic murders. First off, No I did not attend church at this time but my 4yr.old did. Every Sunday my Sister and her husband who happened to be a deacon in the church would pick her up. Her first finger paintings came from church. Don't get me wrong I fully accept the blame for drug addiction. That is and always will be the only truth to the accusations.Yes, CPS had been called on me prior to this,1st time they came they said it had been reported that I had no food in the house for my child (at this time I only had the oldest child and she was only 2 and my divorce had only been final 3-6months) I let CPS into my home to check my pantry and refrigerator and freezer. Naturally, I had plenty of food and even produce the grocery reciept for 2 days before. THe 2nd time they were called out on me they informed me that I had been reported for no electricity and that there was trash to the ceiling. The children were 3yrs.old and 4mo.'s old. Naturally, I had electricity on and their was no trash in my house.Prior to this my ex had asked that I let him have our daughter as I had the other child that I could raise. Understand that already I have had 2 unsubstatiated accusations launched against me that were dismissed. There came a night when my ex called and said he wanted our daughter for his visitation. I got her ready the night before and was visiting with a friend with my daughter asleep on the couch between us. She woke up crying and said she did not want to go to her father's and started rambling. Trudy and I looked at each other and then proceeded to ask my daughter what was wrong, that she had always loved going to her father's. She continued to cry and ramble and then she said something about daddy's milk being all over her. You can imagine what I thought. When My ex showed up to pick her up I confronted him with this. I told him if I ever found out that this was true that I would kill him. My daughter was still 3 at this time. Things seemed to calm down a little. By this time I had a prescription drug problem that had turned into street drugs after my doctor had cut me off cold turkey after a year non-stop. I began to notice that my daughter was not acting right and had gone to my own mother telling her that I believed that my ex had been molesting my daughter, and I asked her where could I get help. She told me that she did not believe my ex could do such a thing , that I was just letting my imagination run away with me. Because I didn't want to believe he could either I let her convince me,only later,much later, to learn that my Father had spoken with her about the same thing.The next thing I knew my 2 beautiful daughters were gone. I did everything CPS told me to do. I went to drug counciling for approx. 2yrs., went to parenting classes. Had supervised visitation the whole works.While just as soon as CPS has my children they place the oldest child with my ex's mother and my other child 3 different times with different members of my family.I willing submitted to drug screens within 24hr. notice, Passed everyone. While begging them to do the same to my ex. He is an alcoholic/addict. They refuse.He bought the last drugs I ever did.Then I became pregnant with my 3rd child. They told me this child would have no bearing on the case. I gave birth to another daughter October 1991. My own attorney came to the hospital 7 hrs. after giving birth and told me to take this child and run. In Jan.1992 the courts informed me that If I did not sign my rights away to my oldest daughter so her fater and his mother could raise her, and let my mother raise my 2nd child,me,my 3rd child then they would terminate my rights to all the children, give my ex my oldest, and put the other 2 up for adoption. May God forgive Me, because I can't, I sacrificed the one to save the other 2.I could have accepted that I lost my children due to drug addiction and been given only limited visitation. But my addiction played the smallest of parts. To know that I lost my children due to unsubstantiated lies and the fact that I was a welfare mother and he came from a very wealthy family, and the fact that I was the first case for the county's new homosexual judge. I have not seen my oldest daughter for 11yrs. Their is not a day go by that I don't think about her and mourn for her. (He's not even raising her, His mother is. His brother informed me that my ex has only seen her maybe 10-20 times in 11 yrs. And that he is now a crack head.) I've been drug free for all of the last 11 yrs. I won't even takeover the counter diet aids for fear that it would take me back to where I never want to be.My 2nd child still lives with my mother(which has it's own set of problems), and the 3rd child remains with me. I have since that time remarried and had another daughter. My fondest dream Is that someday the 4 sister's will know each other and become the sister's God meant them to be. So understand when I say That CPS has it's own agenda. 2 prior accusations that were unsubstantiated and dismissed, to a horrible accusation's Of devil worshiping,sexual molestation and murder that they never could prove and never filed charges on.(the children were taken in for examinations and were found to both still be virgins.)My life and my daughters lives will never be the same. This all took place in Longview,Texas,Gregg County i cheyenedawn

[MaxByron]

OH MY GOD.... CPS.... THEY NEED JOB SECURITY SOME HOW... WHAT DO THEY DO.... TAKE OUR CHILDREN.

[LSA1963]

OUR STORY


In October of 1999, the Department of Human Services took my son after my husband struck him while I was gone one day and left him with a black eye.
Before I had a chance to act, The DHS came with an officer at night right before dinner and took him away.
Meanwhile, my now ex-husband returned to his country (France) in January of 2000, over a year ago.
I have been fighting like hell ever since to get my son back, but to no avail. The DHS has no legal reason to keep him, yet they do. The judge (Rae Anne French) also refuses to hear my side of the case (court records will prove this).
I am only permitted to see him 4 hours per month, sometimes less. I am only allowed the strictest supervised visitation with him. They would not allow me to see him on his birthday or Christmas. (There were "not enough case workers" to supervise at these times) (UPDATE: 2 birthdays and 2 Christmas have now gone by that I did not get to see my son for the same reasons that were given to me before)
My 2nd court appointed lawyer has been mostly ineffective in this case. She advises me to "suck it up" and "go along with it" in order to get my son back. On our last court date, she told me that there have been parents who have broken their children's arms and have gotten them back quicker that this. So far, I have jumped through all of the DHS's hoops, but there has been no change. The court appointed lawyer for my son has been arguing for unsupervised visitation and his return home since the beginning but the judge refuses to listen to him.
Another very serious problem is the lack of communication from the DHS regarding my son's health and safety. Since he has been in foster care, he has suffered a sprained ankle (from playing football), a fractured wrist (from hitting a wall in anger...he has never showed this kind of violent anger before), and most recently, a concussion (from snowboarding without safety equipment). I was not notified of any of these things! My son could have been in a coma and I would never have known. I only found out on the following visit.
Some days, I don't know if I can take it. Some days I cry constantly. I am so scared something else will happen to him.
I want to continue to fight these monsters and I would like to hear from anyone else who might be having similar problems. The real tragedy of this kind of thing is that it takes the focus off the victims who really need help. There are thousands of children out there who are neglected and abused and need help. Another sad fact is that my case is certainly not the worst. There are families who have been torn apart by unfounded accusations of abuse.
I know this nightmare will not last forever, but I will continue to make noise and help spread the word and hopefully when enough people are made aware of this heavy handed abuse, it will make a real change in this horrible machine and spare other families from this cruel kind of injustice. I would like to add, finally, that I believe not all social workers are "witch hunters" and there are many who have helped to save children from a
life of abuse or neglect. These workers should be commended and congratulated.
I welcome any ideas, suggestions or emails of support. I would also like to thank everyone who has sent an email of support. It really helps me get through these tough days and nights. Thank you, with all of my heart.

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KENNEBEC JOURNAL Augusta, Maine
Part of a Series on the DHS
Problems with Maine DHS

Does DHS need repair?
Four-part series
By JOE RANKIN, Staff Writer
Copyright © 1999 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.
HAMPDEN - State Rep. Debra D. Plowman gets many complaints from
constituents - hers and other legislators' - about heavy-handedness by the Department of Human Services child-protective system.
They come by telephone. Fax. Now e-mail.
"I am finding that my phone could ring off the hook 24 hours a day," she said. "I hear horror stories day in and day out."
See Mr. Preble's letter to the editor


1. Sunday, March 7, 1999Does DHS need repair?
2. Monday, March 8, 1999Canaan family in Catch-22 over 2 boys
3. Tuesday, March 9, 1999Lawyers, advocates call DHS system flawed
4. Wed., March 10, 1999Battle-scarred father tries to change DHS

Letter to the EditorPrinted in Maine Central Newspapers Friday,
March 12, 1999


Problems with childrens services seen nationwide
I commend you on your excellent series by Joe Rankin on problems with the Department of Human Services (stories, March 7-10). The problem is
nationwide, and it's the same everywhere.
The real source of the problem is the Child Abuse and Prevention Act, also known as the Mondale Act, which used federal money to bribe states to
institute mandated reporting of abuse and other things. As a result, the whole system is money-driven and motivated by vague public sentiment
against abuse. The combination of easy money and apparent public support allows a system that has no understanding or love of liberty and no real
limits on its power to grow and flourish.
The vast majority of caseworkers are, at least initially, motivated by a desire to help. Unfortunately, most of these caseworkers become seduced by the virtually unfettered power they hold over people's lives. They develop what I term the "social worker smirk," an attitude that they know best, that they are in charge, that the parent better cooperate, and that failure to
cooperate will be used against the parent in a variety of ways. This attitude is the quintessential manifestation of the evil that Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis warned against in 1928: "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are
beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
Based on my experience as an attorney representing parents against the Washington's Child Protective Services, I would say the primary, if not the sole, goal of the CPS is having, keeping and exercising power over people for the benefit of the agency or the individual case worker. They will paint their concern in terms of the best interest of the child, but scratch the paint and the desire for power shows clearly.
Department of Human Sacrifice? Perhaps a little
harsh if the phrase conjures up bloody pagan rituals. But look carefully at the families destroyed, the parents crushed and the children who have lost their most precious relationships, and the charge is not inaccurate. Calais
attorney John Mitchell put it well: "There's nothing right about (DHS), except that incidentally they do keep some kids from being abused."

Gary Preble
Olympia, Wash.
preble@olywa.net


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A TRULY UNBELIEVABLE STORY OF DHS ABUSE

Sunday, November 19, 2000

COLUMN: Bill Nemitz

GRANDMOTHER TAKES DHS BATTLE PUBLIC


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LINDA CORBIN has a simple explanation for what's going on between her and the Maine Department of Human Services.

"They're trying to make it look like I'm the bad person," she said last week. "I have a First Amendment right to speak and they're standing in the way of that right."

Her battle with the state could not be more personal: Two years ago today, DHS parachuted into the life of Linda's daughter, Trisha Corbin, and took custody of Trisha's baby girl, Michaela. The state held at the time that Trisha was not capable of properly feeding Michaela, who has cystic fibrosis, and that the child's "failure to thrive" would improve under DHS custody.

Back then, Michaela was 21 months old and weighed just over 21 pounds. Today, as her fourth birthday approaches, she weighs only about 25 pounds.

But this case is about much more than 4 pounds. It's about a state agency charged with the admittedly difficult task of taking endangered children away from their parents. It's also about a grandmother who claims that this time, that agency made a huge mistake – and refuses to admit it.

"They'd rather make me the scapegoat," Linda said.

She's telling her granddaughter's story to anyone who will listen because her daughter, gagged by a court order, cannot. It goes like this:

From the day she was born in February 1997, Michaela was clearly a sick child. But it wasn't until she was 7 months old that her symptoms – difficulty breathing, inability to gain weight – were diagnosed as cystic fibrosis. By then, Trisha, unmarried and only 17, had come with Michaela to live with Linda in Augusta.

Working first with an Augusta doctor and later with a clinic in Portland, mother and grandmother tried with limited success to increase Michaela's weight. Linda, after countless hours researching cystic fibrosis, began questioning the treatment Michaela was getting here in Maine and, along with Trisha, decided on Nov. 19, 1998, to have the child taken to Boston Children's Hospital for a second opinion.

That same day, acting on the Portland clinic's claim that Linda and Trisha were trying to spirit Michaela out of state, DHS rushed into court and obtained custody.

The battle has raged – both in and out of court – ever since.

Linda, who has attracted a number of legislators to her cause, insists that she and Trisha did everything possible for Michaela, who is now under the foster care of her paternal grandmother. If the DHS were honest, she says, it would admit that it erred two years ago and would allow an independent medical review.

"If I were the grandmother, I'd be doing everything Linda is doing," said state Rep. Julie Ann O'Brien, R-Augusta, one of a handful of legislators who tried unsuccessfully last month to sit in on a court hearing between Trisha and the DHS. "I think Trisha and Michaela are being punished because Linda has spoken out."

O'Brien might be right. Later this month, DHS will be back in court seeking to permanently terminate Trisha's parental rights. (The judge, without dissent from DHS, reportedly has refused to hear medical testimony.)

Contacted Friday, DHS Commissioner Kevin Concannon said Michaela is doing "relatively well" under the state's custody (4 pounds in two years?) and that "the mother and grandmother did a poor job" caring for the child.

What's more, complained Concannon, Linda "is spending all of her time trying to politicize this thing."

That's one way of looking at it.

Another is that the state jumped too soon into Michaela's tragic young life. And the longer her mother and grandmother stand their ground, the more DHS wants to push them out.

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ANOTHER FAMILY'S STORY Submitted by Lesley Wimberly

As a legal consultant who works on cases referred from the National Association of State VOCAL Organizations, I would like to provide the following story. I have many more, and will provide them if you wish.

Lesley Wimberly

Louisiana Justice

Dennis and Betty Maddox had remained single and met and married later than most couples. They had too children, much to their delight and had what they believed to be a perfect family. The couple found a lovely home on a large lot in a small community in Denim Springs, LA. The children were just starting school when their lives became an unending nightmare.

Dennis had a nephew who was going through some teenage rebellion. In desperation, the nephew's parents sent him to live in the tranquility and country life with Dennis and Betty. Being strong in family values, the Maddoxes took the boy in.
During his stay, the boy fell into trouble, and soon was caught stealing from the Maddoxes. After several warnings, and when the behavior continued, Dennis and Better reported him to the local sheriff's department. He was arrested.

They thought this would teach the boy a lesson. Instead, it was the beginning of the end. The nephew told police that he had witnessed Dennis sexually abusing his daughter, and that Betty had known about it but let it occur. Both Dennis and Betty were arrested and charged with child abuse.

During the arrest, the children were turned over the CPS. Since the parents could not provide care for them, they agreed that their children were "in need of care." They didn't know or fully understand what that legal term meant at the time... only that their children would be cared for until the criminal matter could be resolved. Instead, by pleading to the court that yes, their children were "in need of care" meant that they would have their children removed and placed in foster care and that a dependency petition had been submitted and agreed to by them. In doing so, they unwittingly waived their right under Lousiana law to a trial in juvenile court. In essence, they pleaded guilty even though they claimed innocence.

Before the criminal matter went to trial, the nephew admitted he made the entire accusation up because he was angry at his uncle and aunt for having him arrested.
The criminal charges were dropped.

Betty and Dennis were then still going to hearings regarding their children. Both kids were in separate foster homes. Both were in "therapy" with a clinical social worker who was the chief validator for CPS. CPS contended that they were guilty, and therefor unless they admitted on record to molesting and endangering their children, but both parents denied ever abusing their children. Almost 2 years passed, and they finally contacted NASVO/VOCAL.

We found the state had not followed their own laws. First, no reasonable efforts had ever been made to seek relative placement. We raised that issue with the court, and the children were finally placed with their aunt and uncle. Secondly we found that the law required that the juvenile court judge must provide parents with a detailed waring that if they submit to the petition that their children are "in need of Care," they lose their rights as parents and their right to a trial. This process is called "Boykinizing", based on a case called State vs. Boykin. This process is used when an individual pleads guilty to a criminal charge, and the judge is required to examine the defendant and provide a thorough reading of his rights and what right he will lose. The Louisiana State Legislature had made this law as they believed that the loss of one's children and parental rights are every bit as serious as losing one's freedom in criminal cases. This was brought up by the Maddoxes new attorney, but the judge refused any hearing.

This was appealed and the appeal failed. Again, it was sent to the Lousiana Supreme Court, and they refused the case entirely, without comment.

Today the children still reside with their aunt and uncle who have guardianship. The state has placed orders that no one shall interview the children, tape them or talk to them about the case. If this is violated, they will go back to foster care. To this day, Dennis Maddox is not allowed to see his children. Betty is allowed supervised visits. This case has dragged on for five years.

This matter has not been without great cost to the family, not only monetarily, but also rendered deadly impact to them all. During the case, Betty's father died, and shortly after, her mother. Betty herself has been diagnosed with a rare condition in which physicians have given her no more than 10 years to live... if that. Dennis has been suffering emotionally and he now is relocating himself and Betty in an effort to seek new employment, and some kind of life.... a life without their children.

I had written a Writ of Habeas Corpus, but the Maddoxes have decided that the stress of going through it all again would more than likely shorten Betty's life further.

The children have never stated they were abused.

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"I TRUSTED THOSE PEOPLE"


My name is Leslie and I have a very long story to tell. I am desperate for answers as I have been living the most horrendous nightmare, as are many fellow American families, of having my children ripped out from under me and placed in foster care.
My dilemma has been dragging on now for almost 2 years. When all this started with a simple phone call I made to the local police here in Colorado Springs, Co....... reporting that my daughter's father had molested her.

The next thing I knew, they were claiming that I [the one who had made the call] was the perpetrator of many unthinkable things, due to the investigation done by the Department of Human Services. I had a "treatment plan" 4 pages long full of programs, classes, rules, orders, therapy, etc.... that I had to successfully achieve before getting my children back.

As the treatment plan neared the end, they found "more" things I needed treatment for and it just goes on and on and on. The caseworker, casa worker, DHS attorneys and the G.A.L. purge themselves in court every month making me out to be a monster as well as a horrible mother, and it's so false and corrupt. Of course they never have to take an oath in court. [No hand goes on the Bible. No Bible is even to be found.]

My lawyer is not allowed to defend me nor can I defend myself. My attorney is state appointed by the way because due to the domination of my life, I have lost a very stable, good paying union job to be able to have the time to fulfill the so called "treatment plan." I am constantly harassed, put down, attacked, belittled and shamed. As well as being threatened...... "If you do this or don't do that, we will terminate your parental rights."

Here in Colorado Springs it is an every day common practice, just like getting a speeding ticket. It's out of control and it needs to be STOPPED!! I have been forced to lie in order to incriminate myself so that they can "fix" me. And all of these programs, classes, etc..... as well as the foster care for 3 separate foster homes are being billed to myself and my husband. Not the children's father, the alleged child molester.

Our life is over, we are financially destitute and have all but lost everything including our credit. I am desperate to have this system here exposed. My son is covered in bruises today..... he is 10 years old. After the foster parents have avoided bringing him to his visits with me and therapy for 2 weeks..... keeping him hidden, now he is just covered in bruises, his back, shoulders, hip, leg and his buttocks. They will try their best to justify this somehow and keep him in that environment.

They should do the right thing and send him home. I have never laid a finger on him in his life. And now he is so withdrawn, its almost like he's not even there. He's scared to death and he wants badly to come home; however he is too afraid to admit it to anyone but me. He is used as a servant in his foster home. My story goes on.....

[growler]

This site doesn't have the greatest turnout responses for periods of time and if you might notice, you will see that there are people using different names as different people w/similiar relation IP numbers, etc. What about seeing a family counselor or a regular counselor? Anyhow, good luck! :o) Hope you find the answers you are looking for.

[solo]

from what i see everybody has a right to speak their opinion.i use to think the same way you do.cps is a crock of shit,and could care less of what you say as a parent.all i see here is a bunch of uninformed people that lack knowledge of the system.when i got involved with it all,i found that people that dont take care of their children are the very ones that attack the cps or even the aps workers.some of you made stupid statements like,the sheriffs dept.or cps came and took my kids.
ever wonder why?no,you just make the statement and assume someone is suppose to listen.i got involved when my sisters daughter was taken from her only because someone that was jealous of her called cps and told them that the child was being punished by being locked in the closet.that was a total lie.my neice was 5 years old at the time.she was able to talk and tell the cps worker of what really happened.2 years later after careful revue,the judge ordered the child back to her mom.2 years out of the life of them they lost contact with each other.my sister hired an attorney and now it is 12 years later,they are mom and daughter close like they should be.just think about what some of you said,and realize that the government dont want your kids,they try to help.take care of your kids and you dont have to worry about anyone calling them on you.

[cheyenedawn]

You solo 24.4.254.84 don't know what the hell you are talking about. You say that the people that said sheriff's dept.,etc. are stupid. Well I happen to be one of those people and I am not afraid to say my name It is Marina Tilden and my ex's name is Marshall Tilden. The Judge was Robin Sage. The reason the sheriff's office came to my home is because my daughter was on weekend visitation with my ex. and DHS asked them to inform me that she would not be coming home and for me to come to their office since I lived in the country. I did what was asked of me. When I showed up my other daughter was also taken from me. How stupid I was to have taken her with me. that's where I was stupid. Your sister is the lucky one. I for one am extremely happy for her.But don't you think that 2 years out of their lives for a lie was 2 years to many ? I accept my blame in loosing my children as I was a drug addict, I can't accept the fact that the lies that were told were the biggest reason I lost them. I have been clean for 12 years in January. While according to my ex brother in law who I have been in contact with for the last 2 years says my ex is still an active user and as of the last time I talked with him My ex had been missing for 6 months. I pray the day never comes where one of your children is taken by DHS based on a lie, but if it does then you will know what true hell is.


Marina Tilden

[ladyluck]

I agree with both sides of this some cases they dont take them away soon enough but in other cases they overreact to allegations. We have custody of my husbands three children she has at least 5 cases against her with il dcfs they kept leaving the children. We fought for custody and they testified for her not us. She fakes having cancer beat them molested his boy when he was 2 and they left them. We filed a complaint that the kids were using inappropriate touching and they dropped the case unfounded. We fought in court for 3 years to get custody the judge gave her custody saying he felt it would devastate the mother to take custody but that he knew that others would not agree with that. We filed an appeal and within 6 months the appelate court said he was wrong verry wrong for giving her custody. Oh and about the inappropriate touching we found out 3 months after we had custody that their mothers boyfriend was molesting them. But let me get to the other side of this if we so much as smack their hand she filing compaints against us and we have to deal with dcfs in our home. She only managed to get the first one to stick. the rest have all been unfounded reports because they finally figured out the games that she is playing She knows that she will never get custody back but in the meantime she feels the need to make our life miserable and our children. Because this does not only involve his 3 I have 2 and we have 1 together. Mine have a loving father that spends as much time with them as he wants. I feel it is important to have both parents if at all possible and if it is in their best interest. In this case I wish she would just up and leave but if shes not going to then she should have to help support them to me its all or nothing.

[lynn]

I WAS GOING THROUGH A DIVORCE AND TO PROTECT MY CHILD I GAVE LEGAL CUSTADY TO MY BEST FREIND INTIL I COULD GET ANOTHER HOUSE AND RESTRAINING ORDERS TO KEEP HIM SAFE. AND BECEUSE OF LIES TOLD TO CPS BY MY EX AND GRADMOTHER CPS CAME AND REMOVED HIM FROM MY FREINDS HOME . HE JUST TURNED 4. CPS IS ACCUSSING ME OF SEXUAL ABUSE CHILD ABUSE NEGLECT AND DRUG ABUSE. MY SONS DOCTOR HAS NO TIPE OF ABUSE WAS DONE TO MY SON. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL UA S DONE ALL WERE NEG FOR DRUGS. I AM ONLY ALLOWED TO SEE MY SON FOR ONE HOUR A WEEK. WHEN HE SEES ME HE COMES RUNNING TO ME HOLLERING MOMMY JUMPS INTO MY ARMS HUGS AND KISSES ME AND ASKES WHEN IM TAKING HIM HOME. IVE BEEN THERE WHEN HIS DAD COMES TO VISIT MY SON SCREEMS NONO NO IM SCARED AND REFUSES TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS DAD. AFTER VISITS WITH DAD MY SON HAS NIGHTMARES AND WETS THE BED. BUT CPS WORKER TOLD COURT THAT VISITS WITH DAD ARE GOING GOOD. AND THAT CHILD IS AFRIAD OF MOTHER. ALSO COURT APPOINTED LAWER OR CPS NOTIFIES ME WHEN I HAVE TO GO TO COURT.I RECIEVE PAPERS WITH COURT DATE 1 TO 2 DAYS LATER. I HAVE COMLIED WITH EVERYTHING THEY ASK ME TO DO AND TODAY CPS STATED I MIGHT NOT EVER GET HIM BACK. IHAVE GAVE THEM POLICE REPORTS SHOWING MY EX WAS ABUSIVE AND THAT IS WHY I GAVE LEGAL POWER OF ATTERNY TO MY FRIEND OF 23 YEARS. MY EX DID NOT KNOW WHERE SHE LIVED, AND SO I KNEW HE WOULD BE SAFE AND TAKEN CARE OF. I DONT HAVE ANY FUNDS TO PAY A LAWYER AND DONT KNOW WHERE TO TURN TO GET HELP.IF YOU KNOW OF ANY ONE WHO CAN HELP, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU, LYNNE-e- mail david.c.blankenship@worldnet.att.net

[ECLHomme]

As an attorney who represents parents (and acts as a guardian ad litem) in DHS cases when children have been taken from parents, I cannot begin to describe the frustration I have with the system. I must admit, when I read some of these stories I think of clients I've had who truly turned a blind eye to the abuse their child was suffering while in their care. Indeed, in one instance, after I won a case on a technicality, the child was returned home and died within a year due to abuse. Its hard to sleep at night with the reality.

But DHS caseworkers bear that fear in mind too much when they remove children. They always fear that this case might be the one that results in a dead child and a ruined career. So they take children and devine facts later on a fairly regular basis. And the system offers absolutely no true review of DHS actinos. For reasons I cannot begin to fathom, the courts rarely look at cases from the perspective "has the department proven that this child will be in danger if returned home?" Rather the courts seem to ask "does it seem possible the child might be in danger? If yes then keep child."

I am the attorney on one of the cases discussed in this string, and my sadness started when reviewing the case for the appeal. The child should never have been taken, the Department did truly appalling things to the family and child, the Attorney General who represented the Department clearly and unequivocally was concerned with the win and not with justice and fair play, the termination trial could be called a joke were the massive injustive so manifest and depressing, and while the appeal is still pending, the process during the appeal has left one with little hope for any real review of the case.

Indeed review by the Appeals court is largely useless. To say "rubber stamp" would be a hideous understatement. When the Appeal court only overturns less than 1% of all lower court decision, either our state has the best DHS system or there is no real meaningful review of the cases.

to make it worse we cannot talk about specific cases. We are living under the star chambers of England we once held a revolution to excape.

DHS caseworkers are largely decent people with all the wrong pressurse to properly do their jobs. Too little time, too little money, too little everything. We in America think it is more important to give billion dollar tax breaks to the wealthy than to help the poor. That is simply the way it is here. For worse, or for worse.

Chris.

[Sharon]

There has got to be repeated complaints filled before CPS can "steal" your children. CPS does not just bust down the doors of safe and loving homes and pilfer children.
Reply, evidently you must work for Cps, let me tell you a few things I know about Cps. I tried to get custody of my grandchild from these monsters. I was given the run around for eight months. When I was finally able to hire a decent attorney instead of the bought off public defender that CPS assignes.
It was to late because six months had passed, and my grandchild was kidnapped straight from the hospital when he was born by CPS. My attorney finally got a hearing on the matter and my home was evaluated. I was told by the Case worker, my home was not fit for a child. I was told it was to old, and to small. My home is not small, and in good repair. It was just an excuse by the cps to steal my grandchild. Of course not to mention all the federal money they get for adoptions. After all they have to make sure they keep there jobs with all its benefits. They are schooled on how to lie, they are master at munipulation and deciet. Don't tell me the CPS doesn't bust down the door, that is sure a lie.

[shinnajo]

hi my name is shinnajo and i agree state angenceys does take kids for no reason so i dont know who this blessed is but i got 5 kids totol but when this happened i only had the 2 the other kids was born afterwards
but in 1997 i had 2 little boys and they was taken and was split up my 2 year old was in one home and my 7 month old baby was in another home and the home where my 7 month old baby was well they killed him by hitting him in the head. he died of a blunt fource trama to the head and i sued them and made them the state to pat for everything the funeral and the buraial
so blesses the state does take kids from there parents for no reason and the kids either gets raped or killed under the fostercare system
so you cant say the statre dosent do that couse they do and my sister made me loose my other 4 kids and there trying to adopt them out for no good reason thats why im fighting them tooth and nail couse nobody is keeping my 4 kids away from me
so the state does take kids for no reason at all and blessed you cant tell me other wise you will never get me to change my mind on this subject couse me and all the other parents will win sooner or later if we all gwet together and fight for our rights which im doing in pennsylvania thanks
for your time shian

[shinnajo]

well im sorry but the state does take kids for no reason and my baby was killed in the foster care system the foster parents hit him in the head and he died of a blunt force trama to the head so yes the state does take kids away for no reason my kids was never abused or anything they had cloths on there backs food on the table and a roof over there heads so see they was taken for no reason and split up and now there telling my kids that there father and i dont want them and my kids know better so there not listing to them all they do is want to come home and im fighting tooth and nail for my kids so you cant tel me other wise they do take kids for no reason

[we5acmmm]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------You are a liar !! The state stole my grandson for no reason and now I have been fighting for 6 months to get him back . I have been supporting and raising with loving care my 2 beautiful grandsons...they are my whole life and now the state of Fl has stolen my baby away from me. I need help to get him back, but attorneys don't want to fight the state without a whole lot of money up front. I have a ligitimate case here. I am sueing for 750,000.00 if I can find a lawyer with a back bone !! The date today is May 11,2005 and I am looking for anyone who will stand with me to fight this issue...please call me @ 850-249-8463...I need some real help with this problem...I want my baby back. He is only 6 yr. old. he doesn't understand...have some compassion, what is wrong with this world? Rescue the children being abused, or neglected...not the ones who are being brought up in a loving family...they don't need rescued...they need to be home with their family...I am pleading...please help us !!!
Blessed:
TO THOSE "SAYING" THAT THE "STATE" TAKES YOUR CHILDREN FOR "NO" REASON AT ALL....
I HAVE BEEN A WORKER FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS.I HAVE CHILDREN AND ADULT CASES.PLEASE WHEN YOU FEEL IMBARRESSED OF WHAT "YOU" DID,DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK FOOLISH HERE ON THE INTERNET."WE THE "STATE" TAKE CHILDREN AS WELL AS ADULTS FOR NUMEROUS REASONS,EITHER ABUSE,DRUGS,OR
FAMILIES THAT JUST ARE NOT ABLE TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THEM.
NO WE DO NOT SPREAD LIES TO YOUR CHILDREN AND NO WE DO NOT ASK ANYONE TO LIE TO THEM.
THINK ABOUT IT, DO YOU THINK WE ENJOY PAYING OTHER PEOPLE TO CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF?WE LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THAT PERSON.
WE PREFER YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES AND MAKE AT LEAST "MY" JOB A LOT EASIER.
HOWEVER ONCE YOUR FAMILY WHETHER CHILDREN OR ADULTS ARE ACTUALLY PLACED INTO FOSTER CARE, THE FOSTER FAMILIES ARE THE ONES WHO SOLELY CARE FOR THEM.WE DO HAVE CASE WORKERS THAT YOUR FAMILY MAY AND HAVE REPORTED EITHER ABUSE OR AS YOU SAY "BRAINWASHED" YOUR FAMILY.
THATS WHERE I STEP IN, I FOLLOW THROUGH EACH COMPLAINT THAT IS REPORTED AND DO ALL FOLLOWUPS WITHOUT THESE FOSTER FAMILIES KNOWING.HOWEVER I CANNOT "FOLLOW A REPORT" THAT HAS NOT BEEN FILED.ALSO WE DO NOT TAKE FAMILIES AWAY FOR "NO" REASON, WE HAVE TO HAVE SEVERAL COMPLAINTS FIRST.THE ACTUAL COMPLAINT IS THEN FORWARDED TO A CASE MANAGER AND YOU ARE THEN NOTIFIED.I AM SORRY FOR THE FAMILIES (THAT WAS "TAKEN" AWAY) ESPECIALLY ABUSED.
I HAVE SEEN MANY MANY CASES THAT WOULD LITERALLY MAKE YOU SICK TO YOUR STOMACH, ON THE OTHER HAND SOMEONE JUST NEEDED ATTENTION AND LOVE.
MONEY MAY HAVE NOT BEEN THE ISSUE BUT "SOMETHING" WAS.
I AM PROUD FOR THOSE THAT HAVE THEIR FAMILIES "BACK",AND I AM MOSTLY GLAD FOR THE CHILDREN INVOLVED.
TAKE CARE AND BE RESPONSIBLE TO ALL INVOLVED!!!
I WISH ALL OF YOU THE BEST AND I HOPE WE NEVER HAVE TO CROSS PATHS IN THAT WAY....GOD BLESS !!
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[ThreeLegs]

To all of you that have been affected by DSS, those of you who have wrongfully had your children taken from you it is time for all of us to band together and say"NO MORE"! "YOU WILL NOT HARM FAMILIES OR CHILDREN NO MORE!" and "YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTIBLE FOR THE WRONGS AND INJUSTICES YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE TO SO MANY FAMILIES!" My husband and myself have been fighting the DSS system here in South Dakota for three years now with the help of our State Represenitive to get the laws changed on behalf of Indian families as well as to hold the whole system accountible for their actions and so far we have made a SMALL dent, but we keep fighting! That is the important part, do not ever give up! For those of you that want to share your story with us please contact us at 605-845-2002. WE are in the process of starting up a non-profit organization for those families that have been damaged by the DSS system and soon we will have a 1-800 number. We need to let the system know that we as damaged families are not going away or backing down ! We have some helpful information that we have collected over the past three years that include some laws (both Indian and non) as well as the names of some specialists and names of civil rights orginizations that may be able to help, so feel free to contact us.
Thank you all for your time,
Tinnekkia M. Three Legs

[Jose']

There is a VERY SIMPLE ANSWER TO ALL THESE QUESTIONS! IT IS CALLED SPAYING IRRESPONIBLE FEMALES SO THAT THEY CAN NOT HAVE CHILDREN THEY CAN' T TAKE CARE OF; AND/OR GELDING/NEUTERING MALES WHO INSIST ON SIRING OFFSPRING THEY REFUSE TO TAKE CARE OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jstcres2]

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Junipper:
Are you actually implying that child abuse is no longer an issue? That it was only something that occurred in the dark ages. Do you ever read the newspaper or watch the news? Do you realize that nearly 100 children die each year as a result of child neglect and abuse? Now as for your brother’s situation somebody had to call CPS and report that the child was being abused before CPS was able to get involved. And as it is their job to research each report, they were simply keeping an eye on this child to make sure that the child was okay. They did not choose to harass his family, and they never took your brother’s child; they were simply trying to determine whether the child was safe. For some children this nature of protection is necessary. Your suggestion that we “take it away now”, you obviously have a lack of knowledge on the subject. Perhaps you should try to least know what it is your talking about before your comment.

B.T.W. If children are behaving worse than “way back when.”
You might try looking at some of people having children these days.
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I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Yes children these days are alot of times being raised by babies themselves,and the values that need be are alot of times not there anymore. There are people that do beleive in spanking their child and I find nothing wrong with that if it fits the problem. My 15 year old daughter was out and getting into trouble when she was 13 just across the street at a friends house. Her Dad caught her and give her a spanking on the way home and just because of a good old fashioned spanking cps was called. That is the problem you cant touch your child without fear of being accused of abuse, and there it stands if the disipline were inforced on the children as it was when alot of the older parents were growing up I'm sure the kids of today would be better behaved and not so out of control.

[TAXPAYER]

THE OBVIOUS ANSWER TO CHILD ABUSE, ETC IS TO STERILIZE STUPID BITCHES WHO CONTINUE TO HAVE ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS THAT THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT...... AS WELL AS ENFORCED STERILIZATION FOR THE IRRESOPNSIBLE MALES WHO SIRE THE ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS THEY REFUSE TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT! OBVIOUSLY, TAXPAYERS NEED A BREAK FROM THE CONTINUING BURDEN OF BEING FORCED TO SUPPORT ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS

[monica1]

they tryed to steal my children saying they were sexualy abused, and saying i wasnt feeding and caring for them. they tryed to say i wasnt bathing them, funny thing is i would put them in the bath to get a break, and i bustead my rump to make sure they had food. they always had food. so some one called them and told them i wasnt taking care of my children, from there on seems like i was being investigated all the time.they always had a reason to come out and harras me.
i had to give my kids to there dad, to get them off my case, but hes a terrible parent, they were happer w/ me.

[leesa]

My name is Lessa, I found your e-mail posted that you are searching for adoption information. I am writing to tell you about my experience in searching for my birthmother. I have always known that I was adopted, and yearned to know where I came from. After years of searching myself and only coming to dead ends, I contacted www.givenright.com , and they have changed my life. They were very compassionate and helpful gathering all of my information. I was really surprised how quickly they found my birthmother, they made the first contact with her to break the ice. Amazingly enough, she had been looking for me too. We were reunited two years ago and have created quite a relationship since. I have decided to share my experienced with www.givenright.com because I could not have done it with out them, and am forever grateful You can also reach them at 253-839-3666

[drewjewell]

hi there
I'm Tracie Fugate and I'm the mother of 3 great
kids.
The situation that I'm currently dealing with is
that
my parental rights to my kids has been terminated
which is in the appeal process.
I was found guilty of physical and emotional neglect
along with lack of supervision to my sons who are
now
8 and 6 years of age.
For the last 2 years I have been trying to get them
return to me. I have follow the Virginia beach
foster
care plan that was prepared for me but still hasn't
received what I didn't comply with to have my rights
terminated.
in that time one of my sons has been hospitalized in
3
physic wards and has been diagnosed as bi polar,
adhd,
and ptsd but i had already had him tested and he was
diagnosed as adhd. last i heard and read was that
he
was having "difficulties" being separated from me.
my
other son has been diagnosed as adhd which we had
him
tested before which stated that he wasn't but he had
security difficulties. I myself have been diagnosed
with bipolar and alcoholism which I was being tested
before the vbss got involved.
I'm not saying that our family didn't have its
problems but not enough to have my children taken
away
from me and their family forever. to talk about
being
separated, my sons have been apart for these 2 years
except for 6 weeks and having documents from
Virginia
beach social services stating that each foster
family
wants to adopt them. i have been what i call
blacklisted which is understandable when dealing
with
the welfare of our children but when you have
professionals who has their own personal
feelings/agenda than what is fact it became tragic
for
all involved.
i have been fighting for my sons to the point where
i
had to talk to the director of the family/child
therapist that vbss sent my kids and later myself.
i
had to discuss how she tried to alienate my sons
from
me and confuse what she wanted from the sessions. as
a
result she started stating that my sons were in fear
of me and that i was telling them to be "difficult"
when they return to their foster families.
I am on my fourth court appointed attorney who has
not giving any answers to my case. He was appointed
on March 24, 2005, and as of today has not received
my
court files.
i have completed a parenting capacity evaluation
that
was set up by the vbss which stated that i should
not
have my sons. this is after the test results stated
that i tested in the "norm" of the average American.
they stated during the test that they were not bias
and didn't get any info on my case before the test.
but as i read their final paper everything that was
told to them by vbss was fact and everything that I
stated was written as "alleged," they had the nerve
to use that word because everything i was asked I
could back it with documents. They didn't believe
anything from me as fact nor did they ask me for
some.
on the day that my parental rights were taken from
me
i was in a courtroom where the CASA worker told one
of
the foster parents lets pray that they kids will not
return. where i had to hear a social worker state
that
my youngest son was terrified of me which came to be
unfounded when i completed the parenting capacity
evaluation which stated that my neither sons were
not.
i had the children's therapist who i had to
reported
to her director earlier state that my oldest son and
I
had a parent-child role reversal which was the first
I
heard of that day.
I tried to recall what the foster care plan wanted me
to do. It stated that I must have a job, housing,
stability, comply with anything that they said for
to
do. I could not hear all who testified that I
didn't
do any of those.
I went back to my personal files and discovered that
I
did not comply to one thing. I read a letter from
the
agency that stated that I had completed but I did it
"too concrete."
who in this world loses their children because the
complied and that the only thing the agency could
say
to keep my children was to list their allege
reactions
towards me.
I say allege because I don't know. I had not been
taken from my parents. I have not had to deal with
emotions that at age 6 and 4 that I could probably
not
deal with at age 34.
My case has so many mental and emotional loops that
I
don't know if I did them all or some agency had some
part in it.
I'm writing you for help because no one will listen
to
my children. Labeling and re-labeling them over and
over. medicating them and myself in order to
stabilize
as they call it. All that are involved are all paid
by the state in some way. I think that my children
if
this nightmare continue will not be what one may
call
normal.
I had read in an article that children in foster care
are more likely to be criminals, dropout, and people
who are "lost."
My children deserve more than that and I have worked
hard to not to write this kind of script for them.
we need help
I have nothing to pay for those big lawyers and
doctors to prove that we need each other but the
other
side does which makes this an uneven advantage when
fighting for our lives.

Please if you could help or know someone who could
help pro bono it will be appreciated.
I'm not trying to get a hand out believe me I will
work for it.

contact me

tracie fugate
Virginia beach, Virginia 23453
7576858889
drewjewells@yahoo.com
drewjewellsx1@netzero.net

my kids need you help

after begging for months to have a written letter on
why the department file for termination of my
parental
rights i finally received it. it states that i
haven't
taken responsibility in this 845 days for what has
brought my children into foster care which is not
true. i know what i have done to put their lives
into
such a chaotic situation. also, they stated that i
have the inability to "parent effectively" without
giving me list or facts on what areas I'm lacking
on.
i have taken about 10 parenting classes and read
many
books on the subject on parenting and parenting "my"
children. my children have been gone for 845 days
as
of July 22, 2005 but how could i or others lost
their
children because a court decides that you have done
everything that is needed to regain your children
but
now "effective parenting" is in question. I have
spoken to many social workers who have train me in
parenting and different styles of parenting and they
keep asking "how are you and your boys?" meaning
that
they had expected me to get my sons back and are
surprise when I answer them that my rights have been
terminated.

There are so many elements in my case that not
person
especially a women a mother such have to go through
when they know that they have done everything to
fight
for their kids.

please help
I was aware of the trial by jury here in virginia but
it was discovered after my parental rights were
terminatedon september 27, 2004.I had discussed with
my attorney who is court appointedthat i wanted a
trial by jury for my appeals case whichis finally
schedule for november 15, 2005 buthe said it wasn't
necessay.i'm going to request my lawyer to file for a
jury trialtomorrow. I know that it might be my only
way to get myfamily but along with the help with my
family who re-quested for custody and visitations.

[kateyez722]

You tell them gurl, They all stick together!!!! I live in Ky, and I know it happens here. There was a Social worker in Henry Co. who all she did was talk about her self and Her getting Married, she didn't care that a Therapist was turned in to The Insurance Co, for charging her Insurance for visits that never happened on certain dates, The Therapist then Retalated on My Girlfriend and Told Social Service that My friend was Mentally abusing her child when infact he was seeing the Child who was Sexually Assulted by her Half Brother.at the Fathers Weekend visit. then the Child started Masterbaiting infront of the Step-sister at her mothers house. then he told of drawing that meant things, so the Social worker knew My friend was Innocent, but because the Therapist said it was Mental abuse she had to go with that. so These workers can Kiss all of our Butts, for they ALL STICK TOGETHER!

[kateyez722]

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TAXPAYER:
THE OBVIOUS ANSWER TO CHILD ABUSE, ETC IS TO STERILIZE STUPID BITCHES WHO CONTINUE TO HAVE ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS THAT THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT...... AS WELL AS ENFORCED STERILIZATION FOR THE IRRESOPNSIBLE MALES WHO SIRE THE ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS THEY REFUSE TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT! OBVIOUSLY, TAXPAYERS NEED A BREAK FROM THE CONTINUING BURDEN OF BEING FORCED TO SUPPORT ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS
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You are really an angry person. are you on Medication? if not Please take a valum Dear. and these Children are NOT BASTARDS!!! they are Innocent Children!!!!

[@##$%!!!]

HEY BITCH!

TAXPAYERS ARE not LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO SUPPORT STUPID BITCHES WHO CAN'T KEEP THEIR LEGS CLOSED AND WHO HAVE ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS!

FURTHER, BITCH, WHETHER OR NOT you HAPPEN TO LIKE IT, IF YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY MARRIED TO THE FATHER OF YOUR CHILDREN, THEY are LEGALLY BASTARDS!

YOU SIMPLY SOUND LIKE A STUPID, IGNORANT FUCKING BITCH THAT CAN'T KEEP YOUR FUCKING LEGS TOGETHER ! HOW MANY FUCKING BASTARDS DO YOU HAVE, YOU FUCKING BITCH!

YOU SOUND LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A BITCH THAT NEEDS TO BE SPAYED SO THAT YOU can't HAVE ANY MORE ILLEGITIMATE BASTARDS THAT TAXPAYERS ARE FORCED TO SUPPORT! YOUR PIMP JUST NEEDS TO BE NEUTERED!

[aemmans]

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Junipper:
There has got to be repeated complaints filled before CPS can "steal" your children. CPS does not just bust down the doors of safe and loving homes and pilfer children.
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